Thank you Julie for all your work to protect women and girls from male violence. This was a sobering read.
I wonder what makes some men hate women so much - and what can be done about it? Is it hate or is it just a desire to feel power over someone at any cost?
What we really need are feminist trained police forces, forces of women and men trained in the realities of systemic male sexual lust and resentful rage for and against females and the historical mistakes made by the largely all-male (10% female) police forces in the 80s as a result of likely a big chunk of these male police being misogynists too. They were certainly snobs not valuing the lives of young prostitutes or working class girls. It's frightening to think you were so close to this monster, Julie. And so young. This misogynistic male violence must not be allowed to continue. All boys and men especially need to be better educated in the basics of cultural misogyny (woman-hate) and to realise JUST HOW MANY men (and too many women) are misogynistic, with a high percentage of those males being violently misogynistic. The actual numbers need to be much more widely known. Feminists are accused of being 'man-hating' (as I am accused by my long-estranged sons), but history abundantly shows that it is men who have actively and horrendously hated on women and paid few consequences for their violent and non-violent hate, including their burning of hundreds of thousands of accused 'witches' in Europe and the US, usually the more wealthy and clever older women, so mothers and grandmothers mostly, as well as lesbians of course, whose money the church took, as it took nuns' dowries and lives. By contrast, there is no physical evidence of women hating on men, if you can't tell my sons that. I did try but clearly failed to raise my sons to be feminist allies, but failed. I wrote a PhD on battered women who kill and the NZ justice system's failed treatment of such cases. The subject matter made all the men in my life, except the boys' father, nervous and angry. My brother took it as a personal insult, though he is not a wife-beater. I can't hate men too much when I have been married to a man for 37 years and birthed and raised two sons who I still very much love. It is their love that is in question. Arguably, women do not hate men enough. We marry our abusers and murderers all too often, that's for sure. But for those 13+ murdered women, and for ALL the other women murdered by violent misogynist cowards like Sutcliffe, we need to learn that lesson and show it by our actions in the police, parliament and beyond that we DO finally care enough about our mothers and sisters and daughters enough to fight for their right not to be beaten, stalked and violently killed on the streets - or in the home.
One point not mentioned I think by you or Julie is that Sutcliffe had paranoid schizophrenia. My point is not to absolve him of course, but to suggest that malignant hate is a psychiatric syndrome, be it of women, men, gay people, trans people, etc..
This is of course a delicate subject given the way that the Soviets abused psychiatry to imprison and demonize dissidents - the old Serbsky Institute in Moscow was an intellectual center of this.
And same-sex relations used to be taken to be a psychiatric syndrome, as is easy to check from the early editions of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association.
And its also a problem in our liberal identity to detain someone who has not yet committed a crime, eg Mr Axel Rudakabana who killed those three girls in Southport last year. But he should have been detained in a secure hospital before he went on to kill.
Our psychiatric concepts and understanding generally are in much need of development.
Dear Gender Criticial Social Worker, Speaking as a heterosexual man I'd guess that its fear of women.
Heterosexual men are strongly to women and that makes them vulnerable. Some men are very frightened at this, or so it seems to me.
Personally I've often been surprised how anxious women seem to be to hurt a man's feelings. I don't think its only because they fear being attacked if they're not, though this might I imagine occur some times. There seems though some very strong prohibition that women seem to feel about this.
Thank you Julie for all your work to protect women and girls from male violence. This was a sobering read.
I wonder what makes some men hate women so much - and what can be done about it? Is it hate or is it just a desire to feel power over someone at any cost?
Some men hate everyone. They kill women because it’s easier.
What we really need are feminist trained police forces, forces of women and men trained in the realities of systemic male sexual lust and resentful rage for and against females and the historical mistakes made by the largely all-male (10% female) police forces in the 80s as a result of likely a big chunk of these male police being misogynists too. They were certainly snobs not valuing the lives of young prostitutes or working class girls. It's frightening to think you were so close to this monster, Julie. And so young. This misogynistic male violence must not be allowed to continue. All boys and men especially need to be better educated in the basics of cultural misogyny (woman-hate) and to realise JUST HOW MANY men (and too many women) are misogynistic, with a high percentage of those males being violently misogynistic. The actual numbers need to be much more widely known. Feminists are accused of being 'man-hating' (as I am accused by my long-estranged sons), but history abundantly shows that it is men who have actively and horrendously hated on women and paid few consequences for their violent and non-violent hate, including their burning of hundreds of thousands of accused 'witches' in Europe and the US, usually the more wealthy and clever older women, so mothers and grandmothers mostly, as well as lesbians of course, whose money the church took, as it took nuns' dowries and lives. By contrast, there is no physical evidence of women hating on men, if you can't tell my sons that. I did try but clearly failed to raise my sons to be feminist allies, but failed. I wrote a PhD on battered women who kill and the NZ justice system's failed treatment of such cases. The subject matter made all the men in my life, except the boys' father, nervous and angry. My brother took it as a personal insult, though he is not a wife-beater. I can't hate men too much when I have been married to a man for 37 years and birthed and raised two sons who I still very much love. It is their love that is in question. Arguably, women do not hate men enough. We marry our abusers and murderers all too often, that's for sure. But for those 13+ murdered women, and for ALL the other women murdered by violent misogynist cowards like Sutcliffe, we need to learn that lesson and show it by our actions in the police, parliament and beyond that we DO finally care enough about our mothers and sisters and daughters enough to fight for their right not to be beaten, stalked and violently killed on the streets - or in the home.
Morning terf vibes,
One point not mentioned I think by you or Julie is that Sutcliffe had paranoid schizophrenia. My point is not to absolve him of course, but to suggest that malignant hate is a psychiatric syndrome, be it of women, men, gay people, trans people, etc..
This is of course a delicate subject given the way that the Soviets abused psychiatry to imprison and demonize dissidents - the old Serbsky Institute in Moscow was an intellectual center of this.
And same-sex relations used to be taken to be a psychiatric syndrome, as is easy to check from the early editions of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association.
And its also a problem in our liberal identity to detain someone who has not yet committed a crime, eg Mr Axel Rudakabana who killed those three girls in Southport last year. But he should have been detained in a secure hospital before he went on to kill.
Our psychiatric concepts and understanding generally are in much need of development.
Dear Gender Criticial Social Worker, Speaking as a heterosexual man I'd guess that its fear of women.
Heterosexual men are strongly to women and that makes them vulnerable. Some men are very frightened at this, or so it seems to me.
Personally I've often been surprised how anxious women seem to be to hurt a man's feelings. I don't think its only because they fear being attacked if they're not, though this might I imagine occur some times. There seems though some very strong prohibition that women seem to feel about this.
But that's about as much as I can think of. Ian
Left out the word 'not'in the 'Personally I've' sentence - should read 'not to hurt' Ian
also left out word attracted in heterosexual men...apologies for these mistakes Ian