This is what happens when you are governed by people who are effectively trumped up bureaucrats. There is no problem that cannot be solved by passing another law. Ordinary run of the mill bureaucrats think there is no problem that cannot be solved by having another form to fill out. Preferably in triplicate.
Good question: would Yvette include those supporting and advocating gender apartheid Shariah Law here in the UK and elsewhere. Since Oct 7th 100's of 1000's have been protesting in London, also universities, even in election acceptance speeches, supporting Hamas and its Iran-style Shariah Law dangerously mysogynist for all women and girls, fatally in some cases.
Completely agree. And TI males will gain affirmation by claiming to be victims of misogyny. And no doubt women who call them men, & require sex-based protections, will become the accused. Violent actions can be identified and tackled. Vague terminology adds to confusion. What does the word ‘terrorism’ mean now, if sexist attitudes are covered by it?
Maybe just trying to imitate the proposed Scottish Legislation - Misogyny Bill. Only thing is, in Scotland Transwomen aka men will also be protected, as confirmed by working party chair, Helena Kennedy. This will likely include making misgendering a crime, in which case Scottish women are once again Fcked.
100% Agree. I do believe that Yvette Cooper genuinely wants to help women and children, but this is not the way, and, as you say, could have a negative effect.
'Violent sexism and misogyny is a threat to every woman in this country, and we have to put a stop to it. But the way to do that is to use the laws we've got and make them stick. The police, CPS, and judiciary has to be motivated to take male violence towards women seriously.' I agree. However, I also feel that domestic violence *is* a form of terrorism and one that all countries (and cultures) have consistently failed to take seriously and to punish and work to prevent seriously. The fact that men can get access to women's refuges now if they say they are women, shows that. Strong statements and reframings of that violence, if they included redefining DV as 'extreme misogyny' or 'misogynistic terrorism', might induce all such agencies to take such violence much more seriously.
Thank you for all your work Julie. You are a high profile figure who keeps up the pressure on society and governments to make real changes. We don't really have anyone like you at all in Australia.
While I agree wholeheartedly with the core of this article, it repeats tiresome canards about porn and men.
"Their behaviour stems from anger, a sense of sexual entitlement, depravity learned from easily accessible porn, viciousness, alcohol and drug abuse, greed and narcissism – a foul brew summed up in the phrase 'toxic masculinity'."
Why aren't we swimming in an armegeddon of rape since internet porn made trash available 24x7 - because access to porn decreases sexual violence.
But don't take pop psychology; there are dozens, perhaps hundreds of studies I've read since the 80's that always find a negative correlation - always - between access to pornography and sexual violence.
Of course, non-correlation is not non-causation! Perhaps access to pornography caused a massive wave of sexual violence dutifully arrested, tried and sent to prison and removed the perpetrators from try he population resulting in between 26% and 44% drops in sexual violence. But there was no wave.
Perhaps straight pornography all had a "don't try this simulation on your own, this was performed by professional actors" disclaimers like you see on stunt driving commercials and viewers dutifully followed recommendations.
Perhaps a catastrophic fear of HIV did it. Or utter saturation with social surveillance media caused the decline - knowing anyone can identify you with facial recognition recognition indexing on Facebook.
Or perhaps pornography is cathartic, as the ancient Greeks spoke of, and drains sexual desire of all types.
Who knows? But one thing is certain.
Pornography does not create sexual violence no matter how often it's said. Utterly false claim.
You do yourself a disservice by repeating factually incorrect claims, trivially refuted, in support of a rational argument.
Unfortunately the statements made in this document are easily refuted. There are so many studies across many cultures which show unequivocally that access to pornography correlates with a decrease of sexual crimes, particularly those involving younger victims.
The idea of that viewing pornography creates sex crime is similar to the idea that viewing homosexual pornography creates homosexuality.
The parliamentary report you cited points to an anti-pornography crusader who points to a firewalled study that presents no data, while I can give you dozens of reports, even the famous US Meese Commission report from the most conservative administration in US history which found that viewing and having access to pornography does not correlate or reault in sexual violence.
You will always be able to find someone who doesn’t like porn who will claim it has bad effects. You will always find people who will claim that homosexuality in pornography causes homosexuality and causes civilizations to collapse. What you won’t find is actual data from reputable organizations country by country by country which finds that access to pornography increases sex crimes, for the simple reason that it doesn’t, for the same reason that homosexual pornography doesn’t cause homosexuality and homosexuality doesn’t cause civilizational collapse.
What’s really not grasped is that pornography in open markets is a reflection of fantasies but not particularly creators of fantasies. If a culture is misogynistic the porn will reflect that. Gay porn in the Us (written) portrayed bikers, truckers, hitchhikers, loners because two men having sex and living together was a crime. In the 80’s it portrayed doctors, lawyers, college students, military and sports figures. I don’t think porn created gay lawyers or gay college students.
Ask the question “does access to films with violent crimes increase violent crimes?”
The most violent countries in the world are among the worst markets for violent film and television - Venezuela, Burkina Faso, Haiti, Yemen, Sudan, Ethiopia, Myanmar.
The best markets are US, UK, Australia. Inverse relationship,
By contrast consider the highest rape incident regions in the world:
Botswana
Lesotho
South Africa
Bermuda
Sweden
Suriname
Nicaragua
Grenada
Saint Kitts and Nevis
I have a difficult time in imagining that pornhub creates the crisis in Botswana, Nicaragua, South Africa and Grenada. Do you? Do you think shutting down pornhub will lead to better lives for women in Lesotho? If so, you are alone.
Sweden’s “crisis” is self-imposed : any claim of rape is counted statistically even if if disproven. Each instance of a perpetrator and victim is a distinct count, and statistics jump improbably year to year via reclassification various crimes as rape. In Sweden, a man raped in marriage every day for a year, then disproven in court counts as 365 rapes though legally none has occurred. The data are meaningless for comparison.
Lastly, relative rates of sexual assaults have been decreasing fairly consistently for decades. Absolute numbers used over and over in reports are not showing the reality:
Here’s one which is quite simple and spans three decades. Before and after internet.
In counties with the most access to “internet porn” the rates of sexual violence have been decreasing.
Fascinatingly, the country with the most restrictive internet access - China - has the highest growth of sexual violence in the charts in that report. China as I’m aware blocks “pornhub”
I leave it to others to hypothesize why sexual violence increased anyway.
We don't need new laws. We need the old ones properly enacted, and with appropriate consequences
This is what happens when you are governed by people who are effectively trumped up bureaucrats. There is no problem that cannot be solved by passing another law. Ordinary run of the mill bureaucrats think there is no problem that cannot be solved by having another form to fill out. Preferably in triplicate.
Good question: would Yvette include those supporting and advocating gender apartheid Shariah Law here in the UK and elsewhere. Since Oct 7th 100's of 1000's have been protesting in London, also universities, even in election acceptance speeches, supporting Hamas and its Iran-style Shariah Law dangerously mysogynist for all women and girls, fatally in some cases.
Completely agree. And TI males will gain affirmation by claiming to be victims of misogyny. And no doubt women who call them men, & require sex-based protections, will become the accused. Violent actions can be identified and tackled. Vague terminology adds to confusion. What does the word ‘terrorism’ mean now, if sexist attitudes are covered by it?
One thing you can be sure it doesn't mean is calling someone a TERF and screaming in their face.
Maybe just trying to imitate the proposed Scottish Legislation - Misogyny Bill. Only thing is, in Scotland Transwomen aka men will also be protected, as confirmed by working party chair, Helena Kennedy. This will likely include making misgendering a crime, in which case Scottish women are once again Fcked.
100% Agree. I do believe that Yvette Cooper genuinely wants to help women and children, but this is not the way, and, as you say, could have a negative effect.
Yes and probably because giving something a label seems more of a thought crime than an actual crime which has a (female) victim.
'Violent sexism and misogyny is a threat to every woman in this country, and we have to put a stop to it. But the way to do that is to use the laws we've got and make them stick. The police, CPS, and judiciary has to be motivated to take male violence towards women seriously.' I agree. However, I also feel that domestic violence *is* a form of terrorism and one that all countries (and cultures) have consistently failed to take seriously and to punish and work to prevent seriously. The fact that men can get access to women's refuges now if they say they are women, shows that. Strong statements and reframings of that violence, if they included redefining DV as 'extreme misogyny' or 'misogynistic terrorism', might induce all such agencies to take such violence much more seriously.
Thank you, Julie 💕
Thank you for all your work Julie. You are a high profile figure who keeps up the pressure on society and governments to make real changes. We don't really have anyone like you at all in Australia.
Misogyny used to mean a hatred of women. Nowadays it means a man disagrees with a woman.
As Humpty Dumpty said 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less'.
It’s an agenda designed to prosecute anyone who would misgender a transidentified man Julie !
Hate crime is policing thought.
Making little pricks feel big...
Punish actions... motives don't deserve the publicity.
While I agree wholeheartedly with the core of this article, it repeats tiresome canards about porn and men.
"Their behaviour stems from anger, a sense of sexual entitlement, depravity learned from easily accessible porn, viciousness, alcohol and drug abuse, greed and narcissism – a foul brew summed up in the phrase 'toxic masculinity'."
Why aren't we swimming in an armegeddon of rape since internet porn made trash available 24x7 - because access to porn decreases sexual violence.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault?amp
But don't take pop psychology; there are dozens, perhaps hundreds of studies I've read since the 80's that always find a negative correlation - always - between access to pornography and sexual violence.
Of course, non-correlation is not non-causation! Perhaps access to pornography caused a massive wave of sexual violence dutifully arrested, tried and sent to prison and removed the perpetrators from try he population resulting in between 26% and 44% drops in sexual violence. But there was no wave.
Perhaps straight pornography all had a "don't try this simulation on your own, this was performed by professional actors" disclaimers like you see on stunt driving commercials and viewers dutifully followed recommendations.
Perhaps a catastrophic fear of HIV did it. Or utter saturation with social surveillance media caused the decline - knowing anyone can identify you with facial recognition recognition indexing on Facebook.
Or perhaps pornography is cathartic, as the ancient Greeks spoke of, and drains sexual desire of all types.
Who knows? But one thing is certain.
Pornography does not create sexual violence no matter how often it's said. Utterly false claim.
You do yourself a disservice by repeating factually incorrect claims, trivially refuted, in support of a rational argument.
Hey mate, I suggest you take a look at this. https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/125111/pdf/
And no, the Greeks didn’t think pornography was cathartic, at least not in relation to women. Women were rarely portrayed in porn frescoes.
Unfortunately the statements made in this document are easily refuted. There are so many studies across many cultures which show unequivocally that access to pornography correlates with a decrease of sexual crimes, particularly those involving younger victims.
https://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-effects-of-pornography.html
I could come up with dozens of these in an hour.
The idea of that viewing pornography creates sex crime is similar to the idea that viewing homosexual pornography creates homosexuality.
The parliamentary report you cited points to an anti-pornography crusader who points to a firewalled study that presents no data, while I can give you dozens of reports, even the famous US Meese Commission report from the most conservative administration in US history which found that viewing and having access to pornography does not correlate or reault in sexual violence.
You will always be able to find someone who doesn’t like porn who will claim it has bad effects. You will always find people who will claim that homosexuality in pornography causes homosexuality and causes civilizations to collapse. What you won’t find is actual data from reputable organizations country by country by country which finds that access to pornography increases sex crimes, for the simple reason that it doesn’t, for the same reason that homosexual pornography doesn’t cause homosexuality and homosexuality doesn’t cause civilizational collapse.
What’s really not grasped is that pornography in open markets is a reflection of fantasies but not particularly creators of fantasies. If a culture is misogynistic the porn will reflect that. Gay porn in the Us (written) portrayed bikers, truckers, hitchhikers, loners because two men having sex and living together was a crime. In the 80’s it portrayed doctors, lawyers, college students, military and sports figures. I don’t think porn created gay lawyers or gay college students.
Ask the question “does access to films with violent crimes increase violent crimes?”
The most violent countries in the world are among the worst markets for violent film and television - Venezuela, Burkina Faso, Haiti, Yemen, Sudan, Ethiopia, Myanmar.
The best markets are US, UK, Australia. Inverse relationship,
By contrast consider the highest rape incident regions in the world:
Botswana
Lesotho
South Africa
Bermuda
Sweden
Suriname
Nicaragua
Grenada
Saint Kitts and Nevis
I have a difficult time in imagining that pornhub creates the crisis in Botswana, Nicaragua, South Africa and Grenada. Do you? Do you think shutting down pornhub will lead to better lives for women in Lesotho? If so, you are alone.
Sweden’s “crisis” is self-imposed : any claim of rape is counted statistically even if if disproven. Each instance of a perpetrator and victim is a distinct count, and statistics jump improbably year to year via reclassification various crimes as rape. In Sweden, a man raped in marriage every day for a year, then disproven in court counts as 365 rapes though legally none has occurred. The data are meaningless for comparison.
Lastly, relative rates of sexual assaults have been decreasing fairly consistently for decades. Absolute numbers used over and over in reports are not showing the reality:
Here’s one which is quite simple and spans three decades. Before and after internet.
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/counter/pdf/10.1186/s12889-020-09926-5.pdf
In counties with the most access to “internet porn” the rates of sexual violence have been decreasing.
Fascinatingly, the country with the most restrictive internet access - China - has the highest growth of sexual violence in the charts in that report. China as I’m aware blocks “pornhub”
I leave it to others to hypothesize why sexual violence increased anyway.
To see people who currently make and share porn videos head over to OnlyFans. Women and girls are very into it.
Julie does a nice line in sexual stereotyping.
Go away, man.
You deserve no reply. I’m here to say so.
Creep.
Succinct.