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Fantastic episode. I'm definitely going to read the book.

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Is this the same Sarah Ditum that called Lelly Jay Keen a ‘Poundshop Marine Le Penn’? And she’s now talking about class snobbery and a lack of sisterhood? Interesting

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*Kellie-Jay Keen

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It's complicated - Kellie-Jay Keen is certainly a very divisive figure, I think you can both admire her for her intrepidity, but also think that she may have done some harm to the cause at the same time due to her perceived imperiousness.

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Reading Sarah's brilliant book right now. Just started reading about Aaliyah. It's both compulsive and upsetting at the same time. Incredibly rich analysis though. Great podcast, as ever, thanks so much, Julie.

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