Yes, there are some - a growing number. These men are not anti-sex, nor are they moralistic or judgemental. Rather, they recognise the harm of habitual porn use on women and girls - and on themselves
Very important topic! I experienced 2 straight men ask me on dates if I wanted to watch "lesbian porn" with them. When I explained that my ex-husband is now my ex because he thinks he's a woman and a lesbian, that wouldn't turn me on, I shut them right up. Men have a lot of hang ups about performance and porn does not help them.
Why has the trans ideology been able to spread everywhere?
Because they're stuck on the topic of gay rights, women's rights, and minority rights. Trans ideologies are like a virus that can't exist outside of other people's bodies.
But now more and more people are beginning to realize the harm that trans ideology and trans activism do to common sense, as well as to the health and rights of children, women, and homosexuals.
But why are the conservatives losing out? Because their rhetoric is just as one-sided, aggressive, and intrusive as the trans ideologues. Shouting that men are boses and that everyone must be heterosexual and have heterosexual families is intimidating, even for heterosexuals who understand that they are heterosexual and have families because they want to, not because they are forced to. Therefore, they have no right to force others.
Many men express their misogyny, dominance, and aggression towards women in a variety of ways, and the main area is sexual.
Phallocentrism is not a male virtue, it is actually an insult to the dignity of men and especially offensive to women. Phallocentrism is a selfish idea of genital superiority.
This is the idea that male genitals are superior to female genitals. This is the idea that female genitals exist to satisfy a penis and to give birth. This is the idea that only the mechanical movements of a penis can pleasure a woman. All of this is far from reality.
Female sexuality and genitalia are designed in such a way that a penis (or a toy phallus) is not necessary for any woman to experience sexual pleasure. For heterosexual women who enjoy this, it is actually an addition rather than a panacea.
As for lesbians, we are not aroused by a man or a penis. Those who use a phallus are doing so for their own purposes, and it does not mean that they are attracted to a penis. Additionally, not all lesbians enjoy using toys.
Images of public lesbians with dildos are absolute phallocentrism and crude pornography. This is a message that a lesbian, being a woman, supposedly does not value her own genitals, but praises a penis. Moreover, this is a message that such a lesbian, like machists, treats a woman as a hole for a penis.
All of this is offensive, and we need to talk about it. Additionally, I've heard from heterosexual women that while they enjoy men, they find phallocentrism (showing off a dick to emphasize superiority and various forms of harassment) repulsive (insulting, threatening).
Heterosexual women don't want to be objects for all men. Lesbians don't want men at all. By the way, the entire LGBT community and modern prides are very phallocentric.
Matt's friends' reaction to his decision is an indictment of society. The fact that a guy who chooses not to watch porn is seen as weird is mindboggling. Porn consumption has become so normalized that people see it as something to be proud of.
Ultimately, parents have to be the ones to intervene. Children are unlikely to encounter anti-porn views outside of the home. It's just too deeply entrenched.
One of the curious things that is happening is that trans girls are getting into gay porn. I don't know a lot about it, but I've heard that there is something about it that they emulate. Maybe someone here knows more.
Yes, I have read that trans MEN (F>M) finding some kind of inspiration in gay porn. As females who want to be men, porn that has only male models in it seems to inspire trans men in some way. I have forgotten exactly what it was that I read.
Oh I completely misunderstood what we were talking about. Sorry. I think transwomen get inspiration from porn that involves a cis man with a pre-op transwoman. I don't know what that is called, its not necessarily gay. But the woman who did the Matrix movies said in an interview that she was so inspired by that kind of porn and seeing that transwomen could be sexy that it really made her want to come out. I can't remember which one, there are two transwomen sisters who came out long after the third movie.
I've seen that some start with so called sissy hypnosis on YT and then they start watching that kind of porn and progress.
It does seem like the people who are the most ardently attracted to transwomen sexually are men, and its said that even when a TW isn't really into men, the attention is what draws them in.
What little porn I've seen I found revolting. A married couple with whom I was friendly invited me to visit them for a weekend in another city from the one in which I was living . They took me to see a film which turned out to be a pornographic film and what little I did see I found so unpleasant that I spent most of the evening just looking at the floor of the cinema.
They never invited me to their home again, and heard a year or two later that they had divorced. I wasn't surprised - I shuddered to think what they got up to, behind the chintz curtains.
You're implying the porn had something to do with their marriage breakdown. Perhaps, but you don't know. What they "got up to, behind the chintz curtains" is no one's business if it was truly consensual. We don't even know to what extent porn informed their sex lives. Speculation is unfair and pointless.
I was telling you my reactions. I agree that I never questioned them about it. But much porn involves violence by a man towards a woman. The film did I believe. They apparently attended porn films fairly frequently. So my conjecture has some chance of accuracy.
The couple concerned are unlikely to have discussed the matter, it being an evidently highly personal part of their marriage.
But I think you're not wanting to think about the likely implications of a couple frequently accessing porn films together. I don't think this an ordinary hobby, like having a pet or joining the local hiking club. Ian
Pornography came out of military mind control projects and if we consider warfare or at least WWs as something that destroys the social fabric then pornography fits the bill. Pornography like prostitution falls within the grey zone of legal yet potentially lucrative for organized crime. At least in the USA, impressionable young men become addicted to pornography and violent video games set in foreign locations and as such women and POC are easily dehumanized. It makes turning recruited young soldiers - once the working class - that much easier to turn into psychopathic killers who then return home and commit suicide due to PTSD. Is this really the world we want to live in?
Thank you for this, Julie – a very timely piece, which gives us all some hope of change. There are good and thoughtful men out there, and they need all the encouragement we can give.
Another bulls eye missive thankyou brilliant JB. When I was an 8 year old tomboy, running with my band of boy mates, we found a porno mag, and the boys took it to our secret fort, where they pulled it apart and distributed the pages, laughing and screaming with raucous pre-sexual excitement. I wasn’t allowed to see what they were looking at. I tried to join in with their fun, but what I saw made me feel sick and upset, and I knew the boys were looking at me in a different way, because of these pictures. This was 1978- so it was mild compared to what’s readily available now. But it was enough to seriously disturb me at the time, and looking back, lit a fire in me about pornography, opening my eyes to how men treat women. I’ve had boyfriends whose secret porn habit ruined any chance of real intimacy. In a moment of frustration and vengeance, I admit to putting habanero hot sauce in an ex’s personal lubricant before leaving him, after he tried to pull revolting porn moves on me, again. I watched a heartbreaking documentary, “The Girl Next Door”(I wish I could find it again) about the effects of the porn industry on the women led into it. Even now you are seen as a wowser (by women as much as men!) for hating porn.
Thankyou- yes! It was showing at the cinema, and I took my porn addicted then boyfriend to see it, without telling him much about it. Afterwards he was annoyed and passive aggressive. We broke up eventually. Sometimes as a young straight women, you end up staying in a relationship with some immature bell-end, because you really do wonder if they’re all like that. You have to kiss a lot of frogs to find your prince I guess.
Is someone going to acknowledge we’ve been laughing in these boys faces for 20 years?? How sad that he never saw a man condemn modern internet porn use until 2018. That’s crazy. It’s so gross.
The problem with porn is that it misrepresents women so badly. It portrays them as being physically perfect. Given how the women are always dolled up, it portrays them as vane. It portrays them as over-sexed nymphomaniacs. It shows them acquiescing to whatever the man wants. If the man wants to spit on her or slap her twenty times, so be it. It sends the message that it is okay to mistreat women, to humiliate them. Women in porn are portrayed as sexual objects. Are there any women in real life who WANT to have sex with stiletto heels on? That's something that men want (God knows why).
But mainly, it shows women faking pleasure. Straight men WANT the women they have sex with to enjoy the act, but they don't care (at least, not in the porn world) if the woman is really enjoying it. This is where seeing women as sex objects comes in. "Act like you are enjoying it, even if you aren't." I personally think that this objectification harkens back to the days when human beings were more like animals. When we were more like monkeys, the male monkey didn't ask himself, "Is she really enjoying what we are doing?" All he could see was that she was acquiescing, and that was all that mattered.
(I'm not suggesting that the problem with straight porn is that the women actors aren't trying to enjoy it. That's not what I meant to say. But if they were treated with dignity, maybe they would, and that would have a humanizing effect on porn.)
I'm gay. (I'll talk about gay porn in a moment.) I don't watch straight porn, first because women's bodies don't turn me on, but secondly because of all the obvious faking of pleasure that goes on. Women wearing high heels and garter belts, squealing and shrieking in pleasure, none of it is real -- the fakeness is a huge turn-off. I remember watching a straight video once in which the woman actually seemed to be enjoying the act, and that caught my interest. She wasn't over-acting her pleasure; she was just making normal sex noises like we all make during sex.
One of the reasons I don't support making porn illegal is that in solving the problem of straight porn (and its deleterious effects on society), gay porn would also become illegal. Now, I'm not saying that gay porn is all great; it isn't. Some of the ugliness of straight porn has made its way into gay porn. The actors now routinely swear, slap each other, and spit on each other. But perhaps because these are men having sex with men, more genuine pleasure can be seen on their faces. I can tell you one thing about gay sex: For some gay men, bottoming is a huge pleasure, possibly because of the effect it has on the prostrate gland. So films in which the bottom drifts off into a state of ecstasy which can be seen on his face are fairly common. I was never much of a bottom, but I can relate to that.
My use of gay porn is just as it should be. At 75, I can no longer attract a mate, so I watch porn while I masturbate. If I find a film without too much slapping, spitting and cursing, I can identify with one of the actors -- sometimes the top, but usually the bottom. I can then have an orgasm and get the sexual feelings out of my system.
It seems to me the straight porn problem won't resolve itself until human beings evolve to the point where the fakeness and objectification they see becomes a turnoff. Men in particular need to start caring about women as people and not just as objects. As humanity evolves, I think porn will become more realistic and human in its portrayal, and it will then be able to serve the only good purpose it has: as a temporary substitute for sex when the viewer cannot find a mate.
It is kind of odd to me that we are so pornified that men can no longer have orgasms without it. I have said things about men giving up porn and they say they have the right to masturbate, as if people didn't have solo orgasms for eons without watching a video of other people doing it. It usually goes like well, I'm thirsty, of course I drank water, its common sense.
I'm not saying you shouldn't watch it, but the fact that most people can't even imagine being single and masturbating without it shows how far it has taken over people's minds.
Excitement is in the mind. There have been times when I orgasmed while imagining a sexual situation I would like to experience, but even then, usually a picture is more effective than my imagination. Pictures represent something that really happened. Whatever image I have in my mind is just something I would like to experience. It's made up.
What can I say? Society evolves. Once photography became a real thing, there was no need to use one's imagination (although I do all the time -- you should know the things I fantasize about).
Here’s the typical bullshit people have been saying for years to justify this dystopian nightmare.
From a substacker:
"People have looked at naked women for millennia. Men have drawn naked women since they discovered drawing. Nude modeling has existed longer than cameras. Prostitution is called “the oldest profession”. I know anything remotely pro-porn is not the popular side to take these days, but it seems like if you have so much more of a beef against it, then you're probably looking at weirder shit than I've looked at. "
In order for agriculture to exist there had to be the oppression of women and girls. It is in fact the first and oldest oppression. It was necessary for all other oppressions.
As a person who consumes a lot of porn, I disagree. Unlike ancient Rome, porn is available in every home via the internet. Women are treated badly in the typical porn film -- made to look like nymphomaniacs who love being mistreated, though it is obvious that every porn actress is faking her pleasure. Straight porn teaches men that women like to be abused, and that leads to an attitude of contempt.
You are certainly right about that. Young people can be very literal, and may just accept what they see as real. It takes time -- maybe even decades -- to learn how to interpret people's behavior.
I was 15 or 16 years old (1998-9 or so) when I first said no to porn. The other lads at lunch break in school were snickering at a piece of paper, passing it around. A nudge in my side and my eyes drifted onto a pixelated printout of a pornographic cartoon image of naked Marge Simpson performing a sex act on Homer. I tossed it to the ground like the piece of trash it was.
"How can you look at that fake filth?" I exclaimed as my friends stared at me, jaws ajar, flabbergasted, ashamed and *completely* silent. I got up and left them all in their silence. Later, the fellow who had acquired and printed the image personally apologised to me for bringing it to school. Nothing else changed in their lives, as far as I am aware. I have despised all pornography ever since.
In 2005 I converted to Christianity, giving a religious impetus to my abstinence from the visual corruption that is pornography.
In 2019 I learned about satanic ritual abuse, human trafficking and the mind-control slavery inherent in the (paedophilic) pornography industry. I have never hated it as much as I do today. I will never endorse or consume from an industry which employs mentally-imprisoned human slaves (the same is also true of Hollywood and the modern music industry, but detaching this generation from those seemingly innocuous evils is a tougher ask).
Can I persuade this evil generation of those facts? We'll see, but it's not going well at all.
Very important topic! I experienced 2 straight men ask me on dates if I wanted to watch "lesbian porn" with them. When I explained that my ex-husband is now my ex because he thinks he's a woman and a lesbian, that wouldn't turn me on, I shut them right up. Men have a lot of hang ups about performance and porn does not help them.
WOW - Who asks someone on a date if they want to watch porn? I am sorry you ran into that.
You have no idea how often young women in this next generation are subjected to this. It's rampant, damaging and detrimental to all involved.
Why has the trans ideology been able to spread everywhere?
Because they're stuck on the topic of gay rights, women's rights, and minority rights. Trans ideologies are like a virus that can't exist outside of other people's bodies.
But now more and more people are beginning to realize the harm that trans ideology and trans activism do to common sense, as well as to the health and rights of children, women, and homosexuals.
But why are the conservatives losing out? Because their rhetoric is just as one-sided, aggressive, and intrusive as the trans ideologues. Shouting that men are boses and that everyone must be heterosexual and have heterosexual families is intimidating, even for heterosexuals who understand that they are heterosexual and have families because they want to, not because they are forced to. Therefore, they have no right to force others.
Many men express their misogyny, dominance, and aggression towards women in a variety of ways, and the main area is sexual.
Phallocentrism is not a male virtue, it is actually an insult to the dignity of men and especially offensive to women. Phallocentrism is a selfish idea of genital superiority.
This is the idea that male genitals are superior to female genitals. This is the idea that female genitals exist to satisfy a penis and to give birth. This is the idea that only the mechanical movements of a penis can pleasure a woman. All of this is far from reality.
Female sexuality and genitalia are designed in such a way that a penis (or a toy phallus) is not necessary for any woman to experience sexual pleasure. For heterosexual women who enjoy this, it is actually an addition rather than a panacea.
As for lesbians, we are not aroused by a man or a penis. Those who use a phallus are doing so for their own purposes, and it does not mean that they are attracted to a penis. Additionally, not all lesbians enjoy using toys.
Images of public lesbians with dildos are absolute phallocentrism and crude pornography. This is a message that a lesbian, being a woman, supposedly does not value her own genitals, but praises a penis. Moreover, this is a message that such a lesbian, like machists, treats a woman as a hole for a penis.
All of this is offensive, and we need to talk about it. Additionally, I've heard from heterosexual women that while they enjoy men, they find phallocentrism (showing off a dick to emphasize superiority and various forms of harassment) repulsive (insulting, threatening).
Heterosexual women don't want to be objects for all men. Lesbians don't want men at all. By the way, the entire LGBT community and modern prides are very phallocentric.
Matt's friends' reaction to his decision is an indictment of society. The fact that a guy who chooses not to watch porn is seen as weird is mindboggling. Porn consumption has become so normalized that people see it as something to be proud of.
Even among my high school friends, porn was seen as normal. I just wrote about my experience with it here: https://www.davidmaren.com/p/i-grew-up-on-porn.
Ultimately, parents have to be the ones to intervene. Children are unlikely to encounter anti-porn views outside of the home. It's just too deeply entrenched.
It's certainly an indictment but it's not an unexpected response. A lot of work needs to be done still.
One of the curious things that is happening is that trans girls are getting into gay porn. I don't know a lot about it, but I've heard that there is something about it that they emulate. Maybe someone here knows more.
Are you talking about adult transwomen watching gay porn or being in gay porn? I know something about them watching it for sure.
Yes, I have read that trans MEN (F>M) finding some kind of inspiration in gay porn. As females who want to be men, porn that has only male models in it seems to inspire trans men in some way. I have forgotten exactly what it was that I read.
Oh I completely misunderstood what we were talking about. Sorry. I think transwomen get inspiration from porn that involves a cis man with a pre-op transwoman. I don't know what that is called, its not necessarily gay. But the woman who did the Matrix movies said in an interview that she was so inspired by that kind of porn and seeing that transwomen could be sexy that it really made her want to come out. I can't remember which one, there are two transwomen sisters who came out long after the third movie.
I've seen that some start with so called sissy hypnosis on YT and then they start watching that kind of porn and progress.
It does seem like the people who are the most ardently attracted to transwomen sexually are men, and its said that even when a TW isn't really into men, the attention is what draws them in.
Boys are taught that girls secretly want to be treated like this. It’s profoundly evil. Obviously. 🙄 been saying this for 20 years.
What little porn I've seen I found revolting. A married couple with whom I was friendly invited me to visit them for a weekend in another city from the one in which I was living . They took me to see a film which turned out to be a pornographic film and what little I did see I found so unpleasant that I spent most of the evening just looking at the floor of the cinema.
They never invited me to their home again, and heard a year or two later that they had divorced. I wasn't surprised - I shuddered to think what they got up to, behind the chintz curtains.
You're implying the porn had something to do with their marriage breakdown. Perhaps, but you don't know. What they "got up to, behind the chintz curtains" is no one's business if it was truly consensual. We don't even know to what extent porn informed their sex lives. Speculation is unfair and pointless.
I was telling you my reactions. I agree that I never questioned them about it. But much porn involves violence by a man towards a woman. The film did I believe. They apparently attended porn films fairly frequently. So my conjecture has some chance of accuracy.
Indeed it does. Unquestionably. Yet even then it may not be the entire story.
Indeed - but do you kid yourself that you ever know the entire story\/ How would you know if you did?
On your criterion there would never be any point on conducting any investigation.
My criterion is simple: speak with the people involved and ask relevant questions. Do not make assumptions based on your own experience and reactions.
The couple concerned are unlikely to have discussed the matter, it being an evidently highly personal part of their marriage.
But I think you're not wanting to think about the likely implications of a couple frequently accessing porn films together. I don't think this an ordinary hobby, like having a pet or joining the local hiking club. Ian
You go too easy on the people that tell us it’s harmless.
I agree. Understanding is one thing, but failing to be clear about the harm to all parties is irresponsible.
Pornography came out of military mind control projects and if we consider warfare or at least WWs as something that destroys the social fabric then pornography fits the bill. Pornography like prostitution falls within the grey zone of legal yet potentially lucrative for organized crime. At least in the USA, impressionable young men become addicted to pornography and violent video games set in foreign locations and as such women and POC are easily dehumanized. It makes turning recruited young soldiers - once the working class - that much easier to turn into psychopathic killers who then return home and commit suicide due to PTSD. Is this really the world we want to live in?
Thank you for this, Julie – a very timely piece, which gives us all some hope of change. There are good and thoughtful men out there, and they need all the encouragement we can give.
Another bulls eye missive thankyou brilliant JB. When I was an 8 year old tomboy, running with my band of boy mates, we found a porno mag, and the boys took it to our secret fort, where they pulled it apart and distributed the pages, laughing and screaming with raucous pre-sexual excitement. I wasn’t allowed to see what they were looking at. I tried to join in with their fun, but what I saw made me feel sick and upset, and I knew the boys were looking at me in a different way, because of these pictures. This was 1978- so it was mild compared to what’s readily available now. But it was enough to seriously disturb me at the time, and looking back, lit a fire in me about pornography, opening my eyes to how men treat women. I’ve had boyfriends whose secret porn habit ruined any chance of real intimacy. In a moment of frustration and vengeance, I admit to putting habanero hot sauce in an ex’s personal lubricant before leaving him, after he tried to pull revolting porn moves on me, again. I watched a heartbreaking documentary, “The Girl Next Door”(I wish I could find it again) about the effects of the porn industry on the women led into it. Even now you are seen as a wowser (by women as much as men!) for hating porn.
This one:
www.girlnextdoordocumentary.com/About-the-Film.html
Thankyou- yes! It was showing at the cinema, and I took my porn addicted then boyfriend to see it, without telling him much about it. Afterwards he was annoyed and passive aggressive. We broke up eventually. Sometimes as a young straight women, you end up staying in a relationship with some immature bell-end, because you really do wonder if they’re all like that. You have to kiss a lot of frogs to find your prince I guess.
Yes there are some?? You’ve bought into the brainwashing and bullshit statistics telling us all men do this.
Bringing porn into sex is like putting a Ginsters pasty on a Michelin star meal.
Porn exploits BOYS. I have trouble respecting men they took a long time to reach the conclusion that women were being strong armed into doing it. Ugh.
Is someone going to acknowledge we’ve been laughing in these boys faces for 20 years?? How sad that he never saw a man condemn modern internet porn use until 2018. That’s crazy. It’s so gross.
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/supreme-court-porn-free-speech/
There´s a big difference between porn, art and erotica which is the latter two always leaves some space for the imagination.
While I agree with Julie I wouldn´t want the latter to be swept up along with what is demonstrably harmful material.
The problem with porn is that it misrepresents women so badly. It portrays them as being physically perfect. Given how the women are always dolled up, it portrays them as vane. It portrays them as over-sexed nymphomaniacs. It shows them acquiescing to whatever the man wants. If the man wants to spit on her or slap her twenty times, so be it. It sends the message that it is okay to mistreat women, to humiliate them. Women in porn are portrayed as sexual objects. Are there any women in real life who WANT to have sex with stiletto heels on? That's something that men want (God knows why).
But mainly, it shows women faking pleasure. Straight men WANT the women they have sex with to enjoy the act, but they don't care (at least, not in the porn world) if the woman is really enjoying it. This is where seeing women as sex objects comes in. "Act like you are enjoying it, even if you aren't." I personally think that this objectification harkens back to the days when human beings were more like animals. When we were more like monkeys, the male monkey didn't ask himself, "Is she really enjoying what we are doing?" All he could see was that she was acquiescing, and that was all that mattered.
(I'm not suggesting that the problem with straight porn is that the women actors aren't trying to enjoy it. That's not what I meant to say. But if they were treated with dignity, maybe they would, and that would have a humanizing effect on porn.)
I'm gay. (I'll talk about gay porn in a moment.) I don't watch straight porn, first because women's bodies don't turn me on, but secondly because of all the obvious faking of pleasure that goes on. Women wearing high heels and garter belts, squealing and shrieking in pleasure, none of it is real -- the fakeness is a huge turn-off. I remember watching a straight video once in which the woman actually seemed to be enjoying the act, and that caught my interest. She wasn't over-acting her pleasure; she was just making normal sex noises like we all make during sex.
One of the reasons I don't support making porn illegal is that in solving the problem of straight porn (and its deleterious effects on society), gay porn would also become illegal. Now, I'm not saying that gay porn is all great; it isn't. Some of the ugliness of straight porn has made its way into gay porn. The actors now routinely swear, slap each other, and spit on each other. But perhaps because these are men having sex with men, more genuine pleasure can be seen on their faces. I can tell you one thing about gay sex: For some gay men, bottoming is a huge pleasure, possibly because of the effect it has on the prostrate gland. So films in which the bottom drifts off into a state of ecstasy which can be seen on his face are fairly common. I was never much of a bottom, but I can relate to that.
My use of gay porn is just as it should be. At 75, I can no longer attract a mate, so I watch porn while I masturbate. If I find a film without too much slapping, spitting and cursing, I can identify with one of the actors -- sometimes the top, but usually the bottom. I can then have an orgasm and get the sexual feelings out of my system.
It seems to me the straight porn problem won't resolve itself until human beings evolve to the point where the fakeness and objectification they see becomes a turnoff. Men in particular need to start caring about women as people and not just as objects. As humanity evolves, I think porn will become more realistic and human in its portrayal, and it will then be able to serve the only good purpose it has: as a temporary substitute for sex when the viewer cannot find a mate.
It is kind of odd to me that we are so pornified that men can no longer have orgasms without it. I have said things about men giving up porn and they say they have the right to masturbate, as if people didn't have solo orgasms for eons without watching a video of other people doing it. It usually goes like well, I'm thirsty, of course I drank water, its common sense.
I'm not saying you shouldn't watch it, but the fact that most people can't even imagine being single and masturbating without it shows how far it has taken over people's minds.
Excitement is in the mind. There have been times when I orgasmed while imagining a sexual situation I would like to experience, but even then, usually a picture is more effective than my imagination. Pictures represent something that really happened. Whatever image I have in my mind is just something I would like to experience. It's made up.
I wonder how people managed to do it for thousands of years.
What can I say? Society evolves. Once photography became a real thing, there was no need to use one's imagination (although I do all the time -- you should know the things I fantasize about).
Here’s the typical bullshit people have been saying for years to justify this dystopian nightmare.
From a substacker:
"People have looked at naked women for millennia. Men have drawn naked women since they discovered drawing. Nude modeling has existed longer than cameras. Prostitution is called “the oldest profession”. I know anything remotely pro-porn is not the popular side to take these days, but it seems like if you have so much more of a beef against it, then you're probably looking at weirder shit than I've looked at. "
Prostitution is the oldest oppression and is the paid rape of women by men. Porn is the filmed rape and assault of women by men.
Porn is also the assault of the boys consuming it.
I’d say agriculture, war leadership medicine hunting are all older than prostitution. Clever line but not true.
In order for agriculture to exist there had to be the oppression of women and girls. It is in fact the first and oldest oppression. It was necessary for all other oppressions.
A patriarchal line, dripping with misogyny. Thank you, Pater Ecclesia!
I don’t talk to men without dignity or self respect. Get some help.
As a person who consumes a lot of porn, I disagree. Unlike ancient Rome, porn is available in every home via the internet. Women are treated badly in the typical porn film -- made to look like nymphomaniacs who love being mistreated, though it is obvious that every porn actress is faking her pleasure. Straight porn teaches men that women like to be abused, and that leads to an attitude of contempt.
It might be obvious to some people the women are faking it, but it’s not obvious to kids and teens who see this in their formative years.
You are certainly right about that. Young people can be very literal, and may just accept what they see as real. It takes time -- maybe even decades -- to learn how to interpret people's behavior.
I was 15 or 16 years old (1998-9 or so) when I first said no to porn. The other lads at lunch break in school were snickering at a piece of paper, passing it around. A nudge in my side and my eyes drifted onto a pixelated printout of a pornographic cartoon image of naked Marge Simpson performing a sex act on Homer. I tossed it to the ground like the piece of trash it was.
"How can you look at that fake filth?" I exclaimed as my friends stared at me, jaws ajar, flabbergasted, ashamed and *completely* silent. I got up and left them all in their silence. Later, the fellow who had acquired and printed the image personally apologised to me for bringing it to school. Nothing else changed in their lives, as far as I am aware. I have despised all pornography ever since.
In 2005 I converted to Christianity, giving a religious impetus to my abstinence from the visual corruption that is pornography.
In 2019 I learned about satanic ritual abuse, human trafficking and the mind-control slavery inherent in the (paedophilic) pornography industry. I have never hated it as much as I do today. I will never endorse or consume from an industry which employs mentally-imprisoned human slaves (the same is also true of Hollywood and the modern music industry, but detaching this generation from those seemingly innocuous evils is a tougher ask).
Can I persuade this evil generation of those facts? We'll see, but it's not going well at all.