It was never a radical organisation, but harmless enough for a time. But once merciless, cold bloodied Ruth Hunt took over, it was curtains. It remains so
The FACT that human beings cannot actually change sex or gender should make trans a non-contender, instead it becomes another means for professionals & men to exploit & abuse women & children. Individuals have chosen to live as opposite sex for generations, frequently only outed posthumously, without any need for chemical or medical interventions, it is only since trans has become for profit growth industry that @ risk youth are dying from their "gender-affirming CARE". Maia & Andrew Gold's other Heretics detransitioner interviews, along with canceled Exulansic & Glinner, all name names, among others. #terfisaslur
Surely the point is that you can’t change your sex but you *can* change your gender? And your gender should be irrelevant in sports whereas your sex is highly relevant
If taking estrogen for a year or so is enough to eliminate the physiological inequalities between biological males and females, making it fair for trans women to compete against female athletes, then surely we should be seeing loads of trans men taking testosterone, becoming physiological equals to male athletes, and competing against them in elite sports, as well. Right? Why doesn’t anyone ever ask these gaslighters why that’s not the case?
The problem with these debates is that trans men have shifted this so far from reality that the actual situation has become unrecognizable.
The real situation:
These are men with a compulsion to imitate women.
We don’t ever need to legitimize compulsions.
—-
Longer:
1) Trans men have a compulsion to imitate women.
2) The compulsion requires them to constantly get external feedback that the mimicry is working.
Participating in sports has close to zero to do with sports, it is just one of a myriad of ways they receive feedback that the imitation is working.
Their compulsion demands that any (and every) institution which involves women is either erased or opened to them, to constantly re-confirm their imitation.
1) Sports
2) Feminism
3) Prison
4) Lesbianism
5) Motherhood
6) Female reproductive system
And we haven’t even begun with stereotypes.
They mimic women to both evade confrontation with males, and to have unwanted emotional, sexual, and reproductive gratification with women without male competition.
Can we focus on the real debate? Why would we consider legitimizing the compulsion?
Remarkable! It reminds me of talking to my then husband after I discovered he'd been secretly taking estrogen for months when he said he detransitioned. He kept trying to imply I'm the irrational one.
It was the car crash interview of car crash interviews, so it's no wonder we haven't seen him speak much in public. If Stonewall had any sense, they'd gag him.
We must actively reframe the issue NOT as one of fairness, but as one of CHEATING... because men who identify as women are a type of MALE and don't qualify to compete in women's sporting events.
So the argument from fairness, though easy to make on its face, is neither necessary or sufficient... and a complete waste of time.
Just going round and round in circles, a bit like your conversation with Peter Boghossian about his 'wanting to understand' why you called him insufferable (🎯)
Only just watched it. Some commented that he has "the patience of a saint". We truly are living in a time where people just flip the facts and (nearly) everyone not only accepts it, but applauds.
In a nutshell: "I understand the question you are asking, but I'm not going to answer it. I'm just going to emphasise "kindness" while promoting the erasure of female sports categories forever. Thanks for inviting me to speak!" *ugh!*
Hi All, I've been stimulated by Julie's piece and the comments on my response to it, to do some more thinking.
Could there be a case for a separate trans games, such as a separate Trans Olympic Games? In which, perhaps, there would be separate trans men and separate trans women competitions? Perhaps half way in time between each Straight Olympic games?
Some people would confuse this with having separate white and black sports. This however would make the frequent error of equating ethnicity and gender. One way to see that ethnicity and gender are not wholly identical is to note that we don't have separate toilets for black and white, but we do have separate toilets for men and women.
We see this confusion of ethnicity and gender in defenders of trans people who say excluding trans men from women's toilets is like anti-semitism. There are abstract similarities but as I've just observed in relation to toilets, the gender ideology people make the mistake of equating them. But as observed that are not identical.
The UK, Canada, Ireland, and Germany, that I know of off the top of my head. Rapists and murderers of women and children in all those countries are locked in cells with women.
None of it is stigmatizing. Thats just their argument. You can’t reason with them, or offer compromise. People have tried. We have rapist / murderer men locked up in cells with women. That’s how far this has gone.
They won’t agree. The ACLU specifically argued against separate wings in men’s prisons for trans identifying men because it would be “stigmatizing”. They’ve used the same argument against offering trans identified boys in high school separate locker room accommodations for changing. They don’t want fair competition, or safe locker rooms. They want access to women and girls’ privacy and they want to humiliate them in their own sports. It couldn’t be more obvious.
Hi EW, Don't think separate wings in prison is the same as separate games. The latter is not stigmatizing, its enabling trans people to engage in international sports. After all the Paralympic Games isn't stigmatizing.
Some trans men may want to do what you say, but they won't rule the roost forever I don't think. Ask them if the Paralympic Games are stigmatizing. My impression is that people who fit that description compete in those games, and best of luck to them as well.
An absolute master of making no sense and not answering the question 🤷♀️
The FACT that human beings cannot actually change sex or gender should make trans a non-contender, instead it becomes another means for professionals & men to exploit & abuse women & children. Individuals have chosen to live as opposite sex for generations, frequently only outed posthumously, without any need for chemical or medical interventions, it is only since trans has become for profit growth industry that @ risk youth are dying from their "gender-affirming CARE". Maia & Andrew Gold's other Heretics detransitioner interviews, along with canceled Exulansic & Glinner, all name names, among others. #terfisaslur
Surely the point is that you can’t change your sex but you *can* change your gender? And your gender should be irrelevant in sports whereas your sex is highly relevant
Wrt reproduction I use male & female, the rest is semantics.
Then WHY are these mentally unstable SO SUPPORTED.. BY WOMEN..????
Even to the extent of arguing that “men can give birth… these are known as butt births”???!!!!!!
If taking estrogen for a year or so is enough to eliminate the physiological inequalities between biological males and females, making it fair for trans women to compete against female athletes, then surely we should be seeing loads of trans men taking testosterone, becoming physiological equals to male athletes, and competing against them in elite sports, as well. Right? Why doesn’t anyone ever ask these gaslighters why that’s not the case?
The problem with these debates is that trans men have shifted this so far from reality that the actual situation has become unrecognizable.
The real situation:
These are men with a compulsion to imitate women.
We don’t ever need to legitimize compulsions.
—-
Longer:
1) Trans men have a compulsion to imitate women.
2) The compulsion requires them to constantly get external feedback that the mimicry is working.
Participating in sports has close to zero to do with sports, it is just one of a myriad of ways they receive feedback that the imitation is working.
Their compulsion demands that any (and every) institution which involves women is either erased or opened to them, to constantly re-confirm their imitation.
1) Sports
2) Feminism
3) Prison
4) Lesbianism
5) Motherhood
6) Female reproductive system
And we haven’t even begun with stereotypes.
They mimic women to both evade confrontation with males, and to have unwanted emotional, sexual, and reproductive gratification with women without male competition.
Can we focus on the real debate? Why would we consider legitimizing the compulsion?
What language is he speaking?
Language? Fluent Avoidance ...
What a bunch of rubbish from IA.
AI isn’t even intelligent, and somehow he’s the inverse of that.
I really should have said “orthogonal” but probably would have lost many readers.
#ndimensionalstupidity
Beth Rigby should have persistently insisted that he address her questions with some modicum of clarity.
Smugly glib evasive fuckers.
(I was going to post something more nuanced, but that's the short version. More power to your elbow, Julie Bindel!!)
Remarkable! It reminds me of talking to my then husband after I discovered he'd been secretly taking estrogen for months when he said he detransitioned. He kept trying to imply I'm the irrational one.
It was the car crash interview of car crash interviews, so it's no wonder we haven't seen him speak much in public. If Stonewall had any sense, they'd gag him.
We must actively reframe the issue NOT as one of fairness, but as one of CHEATING... because men who identify as women are a type of MALE and don't qualify to compete in women's sporting events.
So the argument from fairness, though easy to make on its face, is neither necessary or sufficient... and a complete waste of time.
Just going round and round in circles, a bit like your conversation with Peter Boghossian about his 'wanting to understand' why you called him insufferable (🎯)
Only just watched it. Some commented that he has "the patience of a saint". We truly are living in a time where people just flip the facts and (nearly) everyone not only accepts it, but applauds.
In a nutshell: "I understand the question you are asking, but I'm not going to answer it. I'm just going to emphasise "kindness" while promoting the erasure of female sports categories forever. Thanks for inviting me to speak!" *ugh!*
Hi All, I've been stimulated by Julie's piece and the comments on my response to it, to do some more thinking.
Could there be a case for a separate trans games, such as a separate Trans Olympic Games? In which, perhaps, there would be separate trans men and separate trans women competitions? Perhaps half way in time between each Straight Olympic games?
Some people would confuse this with having separate white and black sports. This however would make the frequent error of equating ethnicity and gender. One way to see that ethnicity and gender are not wholly identical is to note that we don't have separate toilets for black and white, but we do have separate toilets for men and women.
We see this confusion of ethnicity and gender in defenders of trans people who say excluding trans men from women's toilets is like anti-semitism. There are abstract similarities but as I've just observed in relation to toilets, the gender ideology people make the mistake of equating them. But as observed that are not identical.
Critical comments welcome as always. Ian M
The UK, Canada, Ireland, and Germany, that I know of off the top of my head. Rapists and murderers of women and children in all those countries are locked in cells with women.
None of it is stigmatizing. Thats just their argument. You can’t reason with them, or offer compromise. People have tried. We have rapist / murderer men locked up in cells with women. That’s how far this has gone.
Has this occurred in Britain? Or some other country/countries? Ian
Thanks for all this information. Very helpful. Ian
They won’t agree. The ACLU specifically argued against separate wings in men’s prisons for trans identifying men because it would be “stigmatizing”. They’ve used the same argument against offering trans identified boys in high school separate locker room accommodations for changing. They don’t want fair competition, or safe locker rooms. They want access to women and girls’ privacy and they want to humiliate them in their own sports. It couldn’t be more obvious.
Hi EW, Don't think separate wings in prison is the same as separate games. The latter is not stigmatizing, its enabling trans people to engage in international sports. After all the Paralympic Games isn't stigmatizing.
Some trans men may want to do what you say, but they won't rule the roost forever I don't think. Ask them if the Paralympic Games are stigmatizing. My impression is that people who fit that description compete in those games, and best of luck to them as well.
Comments welcome as always. Ian
Very, very depressing. Although I'm glad I am sane and comprehend what's going on, I too am very depressed about it.
How does he look himself in the mirror?