Maggie Oliver is a bloody hero…but what about her colleagues - why did they do nothing? Rolling over to obey unlawful orders and disavow an oath goes against everything that decent British police stood for in the 20C.
I’ve read and re read and I still can’t get my hear round how police, social services & CPS ignored 11, 12, 13, 14 years old girls, children. Thank goodness for women like Maggie Oliver & you Julie.
I know people are calling for a national inquiry but will that truly help the girls who are the victims. It will give judges, barristers etc a great source of income but will reliving the hell really make it better for the victims? If there is to be real justice, the European Court on Human Rights needs to be involved as well as CEDAW, otherwise I see the bump in the carpet getting bigger. I know I am a cynic but having work with victims in a previous life, justice is a rare thing. No country can call itself moral and civilised when it treats its most vulnerable citizens as trash. The people who had a safeguarding role but did nothing are just as guilty as the perpetrators and need to be called to account now. The elephant in the room is not the Pakistani men who have been involved. It is the men and women who could have taken action every step of the way over the last several decades but who did nothing for fear of being seen as racist. It is not racist to say enough is enough and put a stop to what these men did no matter their colour, ethnicity or religion. It is racist to say these girls were "asking for it" or "at it". They were/are children...and as worthy of respect, decency and belief as any other victim of crimes against humanity. Call it out for what it is... terrorism.
Judaeo-Christian mythology nailed it for female victims like Amber, in the book of Genesis. Didn't Adam point and say to an accusing, vindictive God "it was HER fault!" -- for picking the Apple from the tree of forbidden knowledge, and offering it to him? Eve, the eternal temptress. It's always her fault...
And Islam, as more People Of The Book, took a pretty similar view. The Taliban are a great example of the most thoroughgoing subjection of women.
Call her Eve, Amber, Everywoman... "It was her fault" is the classic rapist's excuse, when it isn't "She wanted it" -- by eg wearing too short a skirt. Though I have long since reached the opinion that Mary Quant, in introducing the mini-skirt (aka the "pussy pelmet") did women a great disservice in the name of fashion: not of "liberation" but easier exploitation. One more excuse for abusers.
Much the same attitude is taken by transactivists in the indoctrination and recruitment of children to an adult cause, originating in male sexual fetishism or autogynephilia, which -- on the coattails of gay liberation -- also demands normalisation. The attitude that pre-pubertal children can possibly know their minds re the scam notion of "gender identity" and, on this basis, consent to medical harms ("gender affirming care") that render them medical patients for life, is also child abuse: carried out in the interests of the abuser -- not of the child.
Paedophiles claim that children can consent to sexual abuse: and promoters of "eunuch identity" include "trans" male to female surgeons who get their kicks from castrating little boys.
The horrendous thing is that so many so-called "helping" institutions have fallen for all of these scams: by failing to acknowledge that CHILDREN cannot "consent" to sexual or any other form of abuse by adults: let alone be responsible for it. That institutions like the police, social services and the medical professions have become complicit in the abuse -- have even themselves become abusers -- are shocking and shameful failures of safeguarding.
Yet even well-meaning, compassionate people have been taken in by the "gender identity" scam.
The story about Adam and Eve shows the tendency of people to pass the buck, avoiding blame with their self- excusing instincts. For Adam blamed Eve for his own decision but he also blamed God, "The woman whom YOU gave me," while Eve blamed the serpent.
The point is that people need to accept responsibility for their own actions. Rapists blame their victims, as they are unable or unwilling to blame themselves. In Islam, women are blamed for tempting men and that is why they are forced to wear hijabs, niqabs or burgas. A woman who is raped in Islamic countries will normally be jailed for unlawful sexual activity. Four male witnesses are required for the MSN to face justice and this condition is normally impossible to fulfill.
I can’t help but think the only thing that explains the actions of the investigating officers after their attitude changed was that they were protecting their own, either other officers or other people they knew.
Thanks for sharing this story Julie. I listened to the Spectator podcast today about the demands for a national public enquiry.
The girls featured in your article (and many thousands of others countrywide) have been let down at multiple levels.
I believe a public enquiry is needed, but Westminster’s attitude to public enquiries also needs to change - all too often a sitting government regardless of party, resists calls for a public enquiry for as long as possible, then once one is called uses it’s existence as an excuse for inaction, and generally ignores the results especially if the party in government changes.
I am not a Puritan or prudish about sex, but a common denominator of evil is the darkest expressions of male sexuality. It is primarily the perversions of male sexuality that dominates, humiliates and abuses females of all ages and male childdren. What is to be done about this?
One thing as a start - we need to stop the normalization, protection and celebration of it.
Andrew Bridgen is sharing a video which suggests that starting private prosecutions of social workers, police or council officers who were negligent or complicit would be far more effective than an expensive, long-winded public enquiry which does nothing to redress wrongs or help victims. No need to try to get the CPS to prosecute them either!
"If this is clear, then she is obliged to defend herself if she can, because letting someone overpower her [rape her] is haraam, and by not defending herself, she lets him overpower her. [al-Mughni, 8/331]"
Maggie Oliver is a bloody hero…but what about her colleagues - why did they do nothing? Rolling over to obey unlawful orders and disavow an oath goes against everything that decent British police stood for in the 20C.
Thank you so much for your relentless pursuit of justice for victims of abuse Julie. You presence in the world makes it a better place.
I’ve read and re read and I still can’t get my hear round how police, social services & CPS ignored 11, 12, 13, 14 years old girls, children. Thank goodness for women like Maggie Oliver & you Julie.
I know people are calling for a national inquiry but will that truly help the girls who are the victims. It will give judges, barristers etc a great source of income but will reliving the hell really make it better for the victims? If there is to be real justice, the European Court on Human Rights needs to be involved as well as CEDAW, otherwise I see the bump in the carpet getting bigger. I know I am a cynic but having work with victims in a previous life, justice is a rare thing. No country can call itself moral and civilised when it treats its most vulnerable citizens as trash. The people who had a safeguarding role but did nothing are just as guilty as the perpetrators and need to be called to account now. The elephant in the room is not the Pakistani men who have been involved. It is the men and women who could have taken action every step of the way over the last several decades but who did nothing for fear of being seen as racist. It is not racist to say enough is enough and put a stop to what these men did no matter their colour, ethnicity or religion. It is racist to say these girls were "asking for it" or "at it". They were/are children...and as worthy of respect, decency and belief as any other victim of crimes against humanity. Call it out for what it is... terrorism.
Judaeo-Christian mythology nailed it for female victims like Amber, in the book of Genesis. Didn't Adam point and say to an accusing, vindictive God "it was HER fault!" -- for picking the Apple from the tree of forbidden knowledge, and offering it to him? Eve, the eternal temptress. It's always her fault...
And Islam, as more People Of The Book, took a pretty similar view. The Taliban are a great example of the most thoroughgoing subjection of women.
Call her Eve, Amber, Everywoman... "It was her fault" is the classic rapist's excuse, when it isn't "She wanted it" -- by eg wearing too short a skirt. Though I have long since reached the opinion that Mary Quant, in introducing the mini-skirt (aka the "pussy pelmet") did women a great disservice in the name of fashion: not of "liberation" but easier exploitation. One more excuse for abusers.
Much the same attitude is taken by transactivists in the indoctrination and recruitment of children to an adult cause, originating in male sexual fetishism or autogynephilia, which -- on the coattails of gay liberation -- also demands normalisation. The attitude that pre-pubertal children can possibly know their minds re the scam notion of "gender identity" and, on this basis, consent to medical harms ("gender affirming care") that render them medical patients for life, is also child abuse: carried out in the interests of the abuser -- not of the child.
Paedophiles claim that children can consent to sexual abuse: and promoters of "eunuch identity" include "trans" male to female surgeons who get their kicks from castrating little boys.
The horrendous thing is that so many so-called "helping" institutions have fallen for all of these scams: by failing to acknowledge that CHILDREN cannot "consent" to sexual or any other form of abuse by adults: let alone be responsible for it. That institutions like the police, social services and the medical professions have become complicit in the abuse -- have even themselves become abusers -- are shocking and shameful failures of safeguarding.
Yet even well-meaning, compassionate people have been taken in by the "gender identity" scam.
Institutionalised misogyny remains live and well.
The story about Adam and Eve shows the tendency of people to pass the buck, avoiding blame with their self- excusing instincts. For Adam blamed Eve for his own decision but he also blamed God, "The woman whom YOU gave me," while Eve blamed the serpent.
The point is that people need to accept responsibility for their own actions. Rapists blame their victims, as they are unable or unwilling to blame themselves. In Islam, women are blamed for tempting men and that is why they are forced to wear hijabs, niqabs or burgas. A woman who is raped in Islamic countries will normally be jailed for unlawful sexual activity. Four male witnesses are required for the MSN to face justice and this condition is normally impossible to fulfill.
This is quite a shocking read for some.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/72338/punishment-for-rape-in-islam#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17367618464307&referrer=https
I can’t help but think the only thing that explains the actions of the investigating officers after their attitude changed was that they were protecting their own, either other officers or other people they knew.
Thanks for sharing this story Julie. I listened to the Spectator podcast today about the demands for a national public enquiry.
The girls featured in your article (and many thousands of others countrywide) have been let down at multiple levels.
I believe a public enquiry is needed, but Westminster’s attitude to public enquiries also needs to change - all too often a sitting government regardless of party, resists calls for a public enquiry for as long as possible, then once one is called uses it’s existence as an excuse for inaction, and generally ignores the results especially if the party in government changes.
So so distressing to read but I’m more sorry that ‘Amber’ experienced it and that you had to write it but I’m grateful that you did Julie.
Thank you Julie. What a nightmare of injustice.
Thank you Julie 🙏
I am not a Puritan or prudish about sex, but a common denominator of evil is the darkest expressions of male sexuality. It is primarily the perversions of male sexuality that dominates, humiliates and abuses females of all ages and male childdren. What is to be done about this?
One thing as a start - we need to stop the normalization, protection and celebration of it.
Andrew Bridgen is sharing a video which suggests that starting private prosecutions of social workers, police or council officers who were negligent or complicit would be far more effective than an expensive, long-winded public enquiry which does nothing to redress wrongs or help victims. No need to try to get the CPS to prosecute them either!
If the trial of those men was in 2012, wouldn't that make Keir Starmer the DPP at the time? The CPS is not fit for purpose.
Reading about this injustice makes me weep all over again. Bless you Julie for your unstinting work.
Exactly
Police and social workers need to be prosecuted for their abhorrent behaviour and collusion with these revolting offenders.
Last one.
"If this is clear, then she is obliged to defend herself if she can, because letting someone overpower her [rape her] is haraam, and by not defending herself, she lets him overpower her. [al-Mughni, 8/331]"