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L Word's avatar

Wishing you every success at your event today. How kick ass is the Vancouver Lesbian Collective? Last year the brilliant Kathleen Stock spoke and this year the fabulous Julie Bindel. Let us bow to their greatness 🙇‍♀️.

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K.P. Kaligari's avatar

Volunteered with them in the early 1990s. I still remember the painted floor in the basement library.

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Suzette Cullen's avatar

All the best.

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Steersman's avatar

"Lee Lakeman", eh? 😉🙂

But rather "criminal", at best, to be putting "fully intact" transwomen in women's prisons. Transwomen are, at best, just male transvestites if they still have their nuts attached and are sexless eunuchs if they don't.

Apropos of which, y'all might have some interest in this article by evolutionary psychologist Paula Wright on "Ruff Sex and Sneaky Fuɔkers", on kleptogamy -- stolen mating:

https://www.paulawrightdysmemics.com/p/ruff-sex-and-sneaky-fukers?triedRedirect=true

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Ian Mordant's avatar

Hi Julie, I'd have thought that male control of women, which is what precedes exploitation, id around 15 000 generations old. By contrast capitalism is closer to 20 generations old. So I don't think moving away from capitalism would necessarily alter this. Your late friend, Lee Lakeman seems to me to have conflated these two. Am I right or wrong about this?

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Jeff White's avatar

Hi, Ian.

How many more generations under capitalism would be sufficient for you to realize that we must get rid of the sexual exploitation of women and that capitalism only perpetuates it?

Asking on behalf of my distant descendants, who I'm sure will be eager to know.

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Ian Mordant's avatar

Hi Jeff, Thanks for your question. Lets take prostitution. It could look as though it is produced by capitalism since the use of a woman's body is indeed purchased for money, and there is an undoubted market for this, in probably every urban center in the world.

The only extended effort of a non-capitalist urban economy so far has been the planned economies. But I am not aware that these put an end to prostitution. Some countries try to stamp it out in authoritarian ways, eg Taliban, but I doubt if they succeed.

Ultimately I expect that only when all women have a good enough standard of living will prostitution end. That will require societies of much greater productivity than we currently have. But I suspect this will require some fraction of the economy to produce via for-profit sectors.

This raises the question as to whether men can be educated/shamed into not taking sexual advantage of women in grim circumstances? I am not aware of success in this area, but perhaps greater efforts will produce some success.

This doesn't answer your satirical question, but is the best short answer I can manage.

Maybe you could give us some details of your non-capitalist society which would see strong success in this? I look forward to some economic, social or psychological details from you.

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