I hadn't thought that pimping is the worlds oldest profession in the world before, but you are right. Going to add that to my feminist argument arsenal.
No, we tend to be more often the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators of such crimes. Feminism highlights this fact and the oppression of women as a,sex class. But many people can't relate to their own vulnerability and shame and blame victims just not to feel the fear of being vulnerable. Some men will do anything not to be accountable and they project their own lack of responsibility onto women and their victims
Conversations about how to respond to stuff like this are so important. For myself, I need to keep things as simple as possible or else I'll forget what to say.
No matter what you call it, humans being bought and sold by and for men is happening in the context of centuries of oppression of women and people of color. This oppression has limited the choices of women and people of color. I prefer not to argue about "choices" made in the context of centuries of oppression because it distracts from the most important point -- men are not entitled to access the bodies of women, children, or other men for any reason.
Is the claim that women, acting as independent contractors and engaging in an exchange of pleasure for compensation, are still victims? Or is the claim that there's simply no good reason for a feminist movement to be supportive of such choices?
Where are the statistics to back up your assertion that the numbers used by Julie are wrong? If you are going to play the numbers game, give us the numbers, otherwise why should I believe you and not Julie who has been at the pit-face of this issue for decades?
In the same article I look at all crimes in the same way. "Feminists come up with these ridiculous stats by sleight of hand, by routinely misrepresenting numbers of rape claims with rape convictions. Only rape is misrepresented in this way. Were all crimes to be calculated by the same methodology, āshockinglyā less than 8% of all crimes would end in a conviction. The fact is, when compared to other crimes rape has a higher conviction rate at 62%, than manslaughter and GBH."
My point is only rape is continually portrayed this way. Why is that?
2nd question: if the goal is to get more victims to report and stay in the system, what is the best way to do that?
It's odd how this claim that prostitution is the oldest profession has become so ingrained in our culture. Prostitution has never been a profession anyway, it's something women have done under duress for a very short period of time and get out of as soon as they possibly can (as the Facebook meme has it, no one is trafficking engineers and architects); the likelihood of it having taken hold in primitive societies before things like midwifery, pottery, farming, weaving etc., seems like such an unlikely proposition that you wonder why the idea ever took hold.
You have used some clever arguments but still not solved the issue that if these women are not victims, why are you fighting their cause. Victimhood is the basket that you carry feminist arguments in. You can't throw the basket away without spilling all your arguments and not being able to retrieve them.
Rachel Moran says: "The thing to do when a woman is hungry is to put food in her mouth and not your cock."
What a powerful statement! Excellent article too, thanks š
Yes! Iām using it.
I hadn't thought that pimping is the worlds oldest profession in the world before, but you are right. Going to add that to my feminist argument arsenal.
No, we tend to be more often the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators of such crimes. Feminism highlights this fact and the oppression of women as a,sex class. But many people can't relate to their own vulnerability and shame and blame victims just not to feel the fear of being vulnerable. Some men will do anything not to be accountable and they project their own lack of responsibility onto women and their victims
Well said. Only in such an oppressive society is vulnerability seen as both dangerous and shameful.
Brilliant, as always~ thank you for this!
Thanks Julie. This is a really good summary. šš¼
Thanks so much, Julie. To the point, no mucking about. Love your writing.
Conversations about how to respond to stuff like this are so important. For myself, I need to keep things as simple as possible or else I'll forget what to say.
No matter what you call it, humans being bought and sold by and for men is happening in the context of centuries of oppression of women and people of color. This oppression has limited the choices of women and people of color. I prefer not to argue about "choices" made in the context of centuries of oppression because it distracts from the most important point -- men are not entitled to access the bodies of women, children, or other men for any reason.
Is the claim that women, acting as independent contractors and engaging in an exchange of pleasure for compensation, are still victims? Or is the claim that there's simply no good reason for a feminist movement to be supportive of such choices?
Feminist rape myths -> https://paulawright.substack.com/p/i-am-lumpenfrau-hear-me-roar
Yes, feminism - and you especially - promote victimhood. I wrote a whole Substack on it here https://paulawright.substack.com/p/radical-feminism-back-on-brand
Where are the statistics to back up your assertion that the numbers used by Julie are wrong? If you are going to play the numbers game, give us the numbers, otherwise why should I believe you and not Julie who has been at the pit-face of this issue for decades?
In those links, she does give the statistics and their sources, in extensive detail.
I'm glad you asked. There are links to stats in the article and more here. https://paulawright.substack.com/p/i-am-lumpenfrau-hear-me-roar
In the same article I look at all crimes in the same way. "Feminists come up with these ridiculous stats by sleight of hand, by routinely misrepresenting numbers of rape claims with rape convictions. Only rape is misrepresented in this way. Were all crimes to be calculated by the same methodology, āshockinglyā less than 8% of all crimes would end in a conviction. The fact is, when compared to other crimes rape has a higher conviction rate at 62%, than manslaughter and GBH."
My point is only rape is continually portrayed this way. Why is that?
2nd question: if the goal is to get more victims to report and stay in the system, what is the best way to do that?
Pithy, evidence-based and very, very helpful. Thanks Julie.
It's odd how this claim that prostitution is the oldest profession has become so ingrained in our culture. Prostitution has never been a profession anyway, it's something women have done under duress for a very short period of time and get out of as soon as they possibly can (as the Facebook meme has it, no one is trafficking engineers and architects); the likelihood of it having taken hold in primitive societies before things like midwifery, pottery, farming, weaving etc., seems like such an unlikely proposition that you wonder why the idea ever took hold.
You have used some clever arguments but still not solved the issue that if these women are not victims, why are you fighting their cause. Victimhood is the basket that you carry feminist arguments in. You can't throw the basket away without spilling all your arguments and not being able to retrieve them.
thank you once again for your wise and concise writing.
Excellent Jooles, me old cobber. As usual.