Touchy. I read Matt's post (I don't do X so can't see your response) but nowhere in that did he say that feminists didn't care about white working class girls unless I missed it.
The numbers don't lie. The proportion of articles in the Press and by the BBC on this issue are dwarfed by the numbers on their pet subjects such as BLM, George Floyd etc etc.
Get off your high horse and work with those who want to hold the Government to account on this issue rather than igniting internecine warfare between those who should be your allies.
And before you go all "white, patriarchal male" on me, my adopted daughter was a victim of these gangs, so I have skin in the game.
Agreed. While I can understand Ms. Bindel's frustration with the piece, I feel that her response does more to sow division than open constructive dialogue. This is the time to unite and collaborate. Anything short of that is misleading and distracting. I hope the two of them can see beyond their differences and work together because, frankly, this has been discouraging.
You didn't miss anything. This appears to be a case of someone reading in between the lines and seeing phantoms. Unless Julie considers herself a part of the "elite" (which in Matt's case was shorthand for rich, mainstream media). Which would be mystifying.
I too "have skin in the game" and more of it than you, Mr Watkins. What happeed to your daughter was horrific. I should know. I too am a survivor of gang rape in my teens (and marital rape in my twenties), and also worked with abused women and girls of all ages and backgrounds including victims of organised abuse.
If Matt Goodwin truly cared, he'd have researched thoroughly. He'd also have been speaking out for decades about sexual violence against women and girls and would know who our champions really are. Not knowing that Julie Bindel was one of, if not the first, journalist to write about this in the national press is really rather embarrassing.
Also, all of these (mainly) male far right Johnny-come-latelys aren't at all bothered that thousands, if not millions, of women and children are abused every single day by men of all colours and creeds. To be honest, far from being hardly mentioned, "grooming gangs", or rather pimps and rapists, from an Asian, preferably Pakistani Muslim, background probably get far more column inches than any other rapists. Where is the outcry about all the white sex offenders getting away with it on a daily basis? Where is the outcry over child abuse, prostitution, trafficking, porn? None. This "story" is simply a way for these obnoxious males to give a rationale for their hatred of Islam and, let's be real here, any black or brown skinned people. Goodwin suggesting that the EDL had any motive other than racism is naïve at best.
The real scandal is that fewer than 2% of reported rapes result in conviction. That is 98% of raped women and girls that do not get justice. Considering that most victims don't report, rape has become effectively decriminalised.
Thanks for your words and thoughts. I can't remember decades of Goodwin expressing being horrified by the treatment of girls and women. So, I could ask where Matt Goodwin was all those years. Why didn't he speak out? Maybe he did. I'd like to know.
Thank you. There a larger networks of sex traffickers at elite levels and when I say elite I mean organized crime at government levels that the majority prefer not to see in spite of extensive documentation,
Forgive me for not replying promptly. Actually the documentation has been redacted. I'm talking about the original post-WWII MKUltra programs in North America and the UK in which children were raped and tortured to create systems of multiple personalities. The program quickly lead to snuff movies and child trafficking throughout the US/NATO network. Grooming gangs and Epstein/Diddy are really the tip of the iceberg. I'll write about it since my experiences are extreme within the network.
Thanks for your comment. I am so sorry to hear of your awful experiences. I was specifically responding to Julie's assertion that Matt Goodwin said that feminists didn't care about white working class girls being raped. She quoted a specific article which I have now re-read and I cannot see any reference in there to any comment about feminists. (But again perhaps I've missed it)
However I was therefore surprised to read a guest article by Julie on Ayaan Ali Hirst's Substack this afternoon when she said this:
"I assumed all feminists would be outraged and vocal in their anger – but I was wrong. In fact, many women seem willing to tie themselves in knots in their efforts to believe that “Muslim feminism” is a thing."
This was one of a number of instances in this article where she criticised fellow feminists for their attitude towards Islam and the industrial rape of girls.
I have to admit to being puzzled, she castigates Matt for making such a comment, but then 24 hours later is published saying the same thing herself.
OK, and I read most of his posts. This whole thing is a distraction from the issue at hand. People say words out of place, we should be fighting the real enemy, not each other.
I sense that you realized you erred and can't admit it. And prefer defending the "when in doubt, blame the feminists" attitude. Most of us here have heard it all before. The question remains whether girls raped by grooming gangs and others will really be helped by Matt Goodwin and his like. Somehow I think not.
I get the feeling it's just another tragedy that he's exploring in his need to bash Muslims and feminist at every opportunity. He's also pushing the Reform agenda and hoping for a government position. They'll probably offer him Minister for Women's affairs. 😉🤣
The same hate that reveals itself when raping and pimping out girls is also used when hating on women in general.
You are not making the world safer for girls when you hate on women who fight for their rights. You would do better to pick on the institutions and leaders of society who allowed this horror to occur for years. Coincidentally the vast majority of the leaders happen to be men. So how exactly should we acknowledge this coincidence - if it isn't by acknowledging the crimes of patriarchy?
Pretending patriarchy doesn't exist due to uncomfortable feelings - hasn't worked yet to eradicate it. But thanks for trying.
It is long, complicated and would impinge on the privacy of others, so I haven't. Let's just say she lived in Telford for a while and was the most reported missing child in Cambridgeshire by a significant margin.
You have every justification to be sick of them. They have done nothing whilst many women, like you, have been raising the alarm for years. All these men see is a bandwagon to jump on, not something intrinsic to the wellbeing and survival of girls and women. Their attitude is detestable.
We have all wronged these girls. Straight white males, feminists, black people, Indian people, Muslim people. We all didn't care enough about these working class girls. If we did this still wouldn't be a continuing issue. We all can point a finger at each and be right to do so. So, you are not wrong in pointing a finger at Goodwin. However, how does this help these girls? How is this article help the situation? If Charlene Downes was not raped and murdered by a Grooming gang then Matt is right because your articles was about an abused girl by her father, and not about the grooming gangs. However, the story about Charlene also for a second writes about two other girls known to swop sex for food. This may indicate a problem in that area that needs investigating. All men no matter their skin colour or culture are capable of rape. White men manage to hide their raping by their money and power. These Pakistani rape gangs don't have money or power. So, why are they getting away with this for decades? Matt is pointing out that the Pakistani rape gangs are getting away with it, with little punishment and without it been stopped, because of the white men with power and money-the Elite-
Keir Starmer...... The Elite is aided in their cover up by the mainstream media. Why? We need the truth and those girls need this to stop.
Why is Matt an enemy of yours? Please correct him if information of his is wrong, but his intentions are in the right place. You hould be working with Matt not working against him.
The better question is: why did Matt set himself up as an enemy of feminists? If his intentions were in the right place, he'd be asking why feminists aren't listened to when they sound the alarm.
Why are feminists better than Matt? I am sorry but under the political feminist movements these rapes are continuing to happen. Feminists are not being very affective in stopping these rape gangs. I am looking for something to be done about the rape gangs not point fingers whose fault it is. If Matt somehow inadvertently made an enemy out of feminists, maybe then that is on the feminists and they must ask, why is that? Matt is asking the Elite to do their jobs, if feminists apart of the Elite, then yes feminists have not being doing their job.
Like I said very clearly, if Matt was interested in doing something, he'd be asking why the government didn't listen to feminists in the first place. It's interesting that you blame feministd for not being listened to, instead of those in charge for not taking the pervasive sexual abuse of children seriously.
You, just like many others, are just here to drag feminists.
Why must it be all about the feminists? We all should be calling for the Government to listen. However, Matt is exposing the fact that it is the Government that is covering up the rape gang issue, so why would they listen to the feminists anyway? What has the feminists done to make the Government listen them? Proof is in the pudding and this pudding is full of rape gangs, yuck! Matt has also made us aware how under reported the rape gangs over many decades has gone. And still today it goes under reported until bloody Elon says something. I hardly call that doosh a feminist. I realise and appreciate all that the feminists do to help and safe guard women and children, but where it comes to the rape gangs there has been an utter failure on the feminists part in making this issue known to the general public. I am not dragging the feminists, I am holding them to account. I am asking them to do better so Matt Goodwin can keep his nose out where it doesn't belong. I am sure Matt would rather write on subject he knows more about than this issue. But know one is asking the right questions or realising it is not about getting the government to listen. It is about getting the people to know the truth.
You fault feminists for not being listened to, instead of faulting government for not listening to feminists talking about the severe sexual abuse of children.
You can worship at the altar of Leon and Matt all you want, but they aren't interested in saving women & girls.
The Government won't listen to feminists because they are the ones covering it up. Feminists need to get the people to listen, to know the truth so we all can shout it out on the mountain tops. We all must make the Government know that the more people know about this the harder it is going to be for them to cover it up and we are not going to stop talking about. That is how we get the Government to listen. It not just feminists failing or Matts failing or Elons failing or medias failing. It is everyone's failure. We all must take responsibility for this. If we keep on point fingers and putting blame on others the problem will remain the way it is.
Absolutely! There is nothing to be gained by “I wrote about it first/most/“typical men/feminists”. There are far more significant people involved in the whole disgusting and inhumane events. Primarily the victims, including those still being abused. If prominent voices start having a go at each other, it’s easier for cowardly scum like Starmer to point out inconsistencies in the arguments being made FOR a full enquiry to justify not having one. There needs to be a consistent narrative pressuring them into what must be the prioritised. Justice for previous victims and families. Protection for current victims and families. Safeguarding to make sure it never happens again and making sure perpetrators/facilitators/and those complicit in covering up are named/jailed and/or deported. Oh, and Keir Stalin can return his knighthood and join his mate Trudeau down the job centre.
The number of so called grooming gang prosecutions actually grew during Starmer's time as DPP. He was responsible for the first one. During the last 14 years of Tory rule the number of rape convictions has gone down compared to reported ones. Only 1 in 100 gets justice. The "grooming gangs" are more likely to be found guilty.
As for "the elite" most politicians earn less than a headteacher. Musk, Trump, Johnson et al are the "elite" not a lowly British politician without old boy creds like Starmer. Funny how that daft expression has come across the pond in the last few years along with far right politics. Do your research outside your own little bubble.
I agree with about Trump, Elon.....etc. However, the difference between Starmer and the above mentioned is one is bogged down with decades of Bureaucratic BS hardly having any real power to do anything for theses girls and the othe wants to destroy that BS. I was a Support Worker for over 10 years. I had to deal with the police, NHS, social workers and the council on a daily basis. The Bureaucratic BS is think and deeply embedded into all institutions. This is what suppresses all who are poor, vulnerable and dependent on the Government to care for them, in the nightmare situation they are born in. If you think that Starmer is the good guy then you are a part of the problem. I don’t need to do research. I experienced it first hand for 10 years slowly having the wool pulled away from my eyes. Not for one moment I see Trump and Elon as the good guy. I see them as a wrecking ball on all this Bureaucratic BS. However, they are not the solution, we are, the people. It is our responsibility to pick up the peices and rebuild. Hopefully from learning from the past mistakes. Starmer is a part the mistake we must learn from and nothing more.
So a woman activist, who has devoted her life to working full time advocating for the rights of adult human females for a decade, is not a *feminist* in your view if she disclaims the description?
Everybody is a feminist if they identify as one. Like so much of the vocabulary that used to belong to people who call themselves women the assignation has become meaningless. People who deploy the who is a feminist and who is not a feminist argument as if it has any sort of relevance or integrity are bleaters.
I am too embarrassed to call myself a feminist any longer due to certain types of bleaters who think they own it. I'll leave when Ms Bindel kicks me off, which could be at any moment due to me being the wrong sort of feminist.
Bindel has infamously dismissed Keen as a "pound shop Barbie" and suggested Keen, along with others who argue that Muslim men have religious and culturally indoctrinated hatred toward women, is a racist. Source your own links, it's all out there. To her credit I don't think Ms Bindel tries to alter her historic comments. In the meantime I truly don't give a rats arse if you want to imply I'm making it up or lying.
Julie your recent investigations and pieces are where may we all ask? Yet another journo seeking to show boat post event and ride on the tide of the right side of history and in so doing trying to avoid the criticism of the establishment and our bought and paid for MSM which is coming for sure and has already started judging by our illustrious pms reversion to name calling of anyone daring to criticise the Muslim rapists and so ably supported by our similarly minded press
I respect the other point of view, that these people must be challenged, but Goodwins shtick is so obviously to create outrage and then feed off it, his whole thing is about a desperate need for attention that I really believe in his case that just recognising what an inconsequential figure he is, especially when intellectually there is just no there there and that he only argues in bad faith I really believe just completely ignoring him is the way to go
Happy new year Julie. This one is the one we've been waiting for I hope,the year common sense wins and everyone wakes up like Bobby Ewing and it had all been a dream.
How often did Matt report on this over the years? Speaking up with self righteous indignation is easy to do now that the light has been shone on this by people who were brave enough to pave the way, knowing that they were putting themselves in danger for their careers or even their lives. And no one wants to admit that Tommy Robinson was shouting from the roof tops about this years ago.
Ms Bindel is hardly a scion of the establishment, perhaps she makes Matt’s point for him? Only outsiders like herself actually made a point of reporting on this scandal in a sustained way that the subject justified. The Oxbridge elite hardly know where Oldham is never mind caring about the suffering of the inhabitants, especially if the truth upsets their liberal totems. Ms Bindel seems slightly upset that she’s not been acknowledged as one of the few who did some reporting.
I liked your article on Al Jazeera. In that article you mention how the editors have shunned your work on this issue. The editors, council workers, police and politicians all had something in common.
They would say publicly that they did not want to be racist but, of course, saving girls from paedophiles is not racist.
Their real fear was that knowledge of the Rape Gangs might stir up strong opposition to the whole project of mass migration. Their objection was ideological - they did not want their Internationalist ideology to be opposed.
Touchy. I read Matt's post (I don't do X so can't see your response) but nowhere in that did he say that feminists didn't care about white working class girls unless I missed it.
The numbers don't lie. The proportion of articles in the Press and by the BBC on this issue are dwarfed by the numbers on their pet subjects such as BLM, George Floyd etc etc.
Get off your high horse and work with those who want to hold the Government to account on this issue rather than igniting internecine warfare between those who should be your allies.
And before you go all "white, patriarchal male" on me, my adopted daughter was a victim of these gangs, so I have skin in the game.
Agreed. While I can understand Ms. Bindel's frustration with the piece, I feel that her response does more to sow division than open constructive dialogue. This is the time to unite and collaborate. Anything short of that is misleading and distracting. I hope the two of them can see beyond their differences and work together because, frankly, this has been discouraging.
He’s the one who started an attack. He wasn’t offering collaboration. And his facts were wrong.
https://open.substack.com/pub/juliebindel/p/racists-did-not-expose-the-grooming?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2t6309
You didn't miss anything. This appears to be a case of someone reading in between the lines and seeing phantoms. Unless Julie considers herself a part of the "elite" (which in Matt's case was shorthand for rich, mainstream media). Which would be mystifying.
Well, yes, that was my thoughts exactly.....
I too "have skin in the game" and more of it than you, Mr Watkins. What happeed to your daughter was horrific. I should know. I too am a survivor of gang rape in my teens (and marital rape in my twenties), and also worked with abused women and girls of all ages and backgrounds including victims of organised abuse.
If Matt Goodwin truly cared, he'd have researched thoroughly. He'd also have been speaking out for decades about sexual violence against women and girls and would know who our champions really are. Not knowing that Julie Bindel was one of, if not the first, journalist to write about this in the national press is really rather embarrassing.
Also, all of these (mainly) male far right Johnny-come-latelys aren't at all bothered that thousands, if not millions, of women and children are abused every single day by men of all colours and creeds. To be honest, far from being hardly mentioned, "grooming gangs", or rather pimps and rapists, from an Asian, preferably Pakistani Muslim, background probably get far more column inches than any other rapists. Where is the outcry about all the white sex offenders getting away with it on a daily basis? Where is the outcry over child abuse, prostitution, trafficking, porn? None. This "story" is simply a way for these obnoxious males to give a rationale for their hatred of Islam and, let's be real here, any black or brown skinned people. Goodwin suggesting that the EDL had any motive other than racism is naïve at best.
The real scandal is that fewer than 2% of reported rapes result in conviction. That is 98% of raped women and girls that do not get justice. Considering that most victims don't report, rape has become effectively decriminalised.
Thanks for your words and thoughts. I can't remember decades of Goodwin expressing being horrified by the treatment of girls and women. So, I could ask where Matt Goodwin was all those years. Why didn't he speak out? Maybe he did. I'd like to know.
Thank you. There a larger networks of sex traffickers at elite levels and when I say elite I mean organized crime at government levels that the majority prefer not to see in spite of extensive documentation,
Where can I find that documentation?
Forgive me for not replying promptly. Actually the documentation has been redacted. I'm talking about the original post-WWII MKUltra programs in North America and the UK in which children were raped and tortured to create systems of multiple personalities. The program quickly lead to snuff movies and child trafficking throughout the US/NATO network. Grooming gangs and Epstein/Diddy are really the tip of the iceberg. I'll write about it since my experiences are extreme within the network.
I look forward to sources.
Decades.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/2/23/the-uks-grooming-gangs-and-the-lessons-never-learned
Thanks for your comment. I am so sorry to hear of your awful experiences. I was specifically responding to Julie's assertion that Matt Goodwin said that feminists didn't care about white working class girls being raped. She quoted a specific article which I have now re-read and I cannot see any reference in there to any comment about feminists. (But again perhaps I've missed it)
However I was therefore surprised to read a guest article by Julie on Ayaan Ali Hirst's Substack this afternoon when she said this:
"I assumed all feminists would be outraged and vocal in their anger – but I was wrong. In fact, many women seem willing to tie themselves in knots in their efforts to believe that “Muslim feminism” is a thing."
This was one of a number of instances in this article where she criticised fellow feminists for their attitude towards Islam and the industrial rape of girls.
I have to admit to being puzzled, she castigates Matt for making such a comment, but then 24 hours later is published saying the same thing herself.
Sorry that should be "Ayaan Hirsi Ali"!
Goodwin specifically said “where were the feminists?”
Where? I've just read his recent article about media and can't see that. This was the article I was referring to.
Ok but you should not assume Julie is referring to just one specific article you have read.
Goodwin posts on here about ten times a day.
OK, and I read most of his posts. This whole thing is a distraction from the issue at hand. People say words out of place, we should be fighting the real enemy, not each other.
I sense that you realized you erred and can't admit it. And prefer defending the "when in doubt, blame the feminists" attitude. Most of us here have heard it all before. The question remains whether girls raped by grooming gangs and others will really be helped by Matt Goodwin and his like. Somehow I think not.
I get the feeling it's just another tragedy that he's exploring in his need to bash Muslims and feminist at every opportunity. He's also pushing the Reform agenda and hoping for a government position. They'll probably offer him Minister for Women's affairs. 😉🤣
Well, I am so glad you know what's going on inside my head.
Touchy is as touchy does.
Does your lil' dumplin' waggle painfully every time a woman writes words on the internet?
No, I'm not bothered about the sex or other immutable characteristics of anyone who writes anything about anything on the Internet or elsewhere.
Perhaps you should read what I wrote and respond to it. I am quite happy to be corrected if I have misunderstood any facts.
Otherwise take your misanthropy elsewhere.
Bless. You continue to be touchy.
The same hate that reveals itself when raping and pimping out girls is also used when hating on women in general.
You are not making the world safer for girls when you hate on women who fight for their rights. You would do better to pick on the institutions and leaders of society who allowed this horror to occur for years. Coincidentally the vast majority of the leaders happen to be men. So how exactly should we acknowledge this coincidence - if it isn't by acknowledging the crimes of patriarchy?
Pretending patriarchy doesn't exist due to uncomfortable feelings - hasn't worked yet to eradicate it. But thanks for trying.
You have a weird understanding of the meaning of "hate". But if you want to look inside my head and find stuff that isn't there, carry on.
In a recent tweet, Goodwin asked where the #MeToo was when all the grooming was happening. Do you have the answer to his suggestion they were silent?
You'll have to ask members of the #metoo movement that question.
So you have the chance to share your adopted daughter's story if she consents. Does she, and have you? That's the way to amass allies.
It is long, complicated and would impinge on the privacy of others, so I haven't. Let's just say she lived in Telford for a while and was the most reported missing child in Cambridgeshire by a significant margin.
You have every justification to be sick of them. They have done nothing whilst many women, like you, have been raising the alarm for years. All these men see is a bandwagon to jump on, not something intrinsic to the wellbeing and survival of girls and women. Their attitude is detestable.
I don't trust his motives at all. I think they are self-serving. I tell him so almost every day, but he doesn't respond.
Every time I see these type of comments I’m letting people know you were there at Ground Zero, Julie.
Good one Julie.
We have all wronged these girls. Straight white males, feminists, black people, Indian people, Muslim people. We all didn't care enough about these working class girls. If we did this still wouldn't be a continuing issue. We all can point a finger at each and be right to do so. So, you are not wrong in pointing a finger at Goodwin. However, how does this help these girls? How is this article help the situation? If Charlene Downes was not raped and murdered by a Grooming gang then Matt is right because your articles was about an abused girl by her father, and not about the grooming gangs. However, the story about Charlene also for a second writes about two other girls known to swop sex for food. This may indicate a problem in that area that needs investigating. All men no matter their skin colour or culture are capable of rape. White men manage to hide their raping by their money and power. These Pakistani rape gangs don't have money or power. So, why are they getting away with this for decades? Matt is pointing out that the Pakistani rape gangs are getting away with it, with little punishment and without it been stopped, because of the white men with power and money-the Elite-
Keir Starmer...... The Elite is aided in their cover up by the mainstream media. Why? We need the truth and those girls need this to stop.
Why is Matt an enemy of yours? Please correct him if information of his is wrong, but his intentions are in the right place. You hould be working with Matt not working against him.
The better question is: why did Matt set himself up as an enemy of feminists? If his intentions were in the right place, he'd be asking why feminists aren't listened to when they sound the alarm.
Why are feminists better than Matt? I am sorry but under the political feminist movements these rapes are continuing to happen. Feminists are not being very affective in stopping these rape gangs. I am looking for something to be done about the rape gangs not point fingers whose fault it is. If Matt somehow inadvertently made an enemy out of feminists, maybe then that is on the feminists and they must ask, why is that? Matt is asking the Elite to do their jobs, if feminists apart of the Elite, then yes feminists have not being doing their job.
Like I said very clearly, if Matt was interested in doing something, he'd be asking why the government didn't listen to feminists in the first place. It's interesting that you blame feministd for not being listened to, instead of those in charge for not taking the pervasive sexual abuse of children seriously.
You, just like many others, are just here to drag feminists.
Why must it be all about the feminists? We all should be calling for the Government to listen. However, Matt is exposing the fact that it is the Government that is covering up the rape gang issue, so why would they listen to the feminists anyway? What has the feminists done to make the Government listen them? Proof is in the pudding and this pudding is full of rape gangs, yuck! Matt has also made us aware how under reported the rape gangs over many decades has gone. And still today it goes under reported until bloody Elon says something. I hardly call that doosh a feminist. I realise and appreciate all that the feminists do to help and safe guard women and children, but where it comes to the rape gangs there has been an utter failure on the feminists part in making this issue known to the general public. I am not dragging the feminists, I am holding them to account. I am asking them to do better so Matt Goodwin can keep his nose out where it doesn't belong. I am sure Matt would rather write on subject he knows more about than this issue. But know one is asking the right questions or realising it is not about getting the government to listen. It is about getting the people to know the truth.
You are just proving the point.
You fault feminists for not being listened to, instead of faulting government for not listening to feminists talking about the severe sexual abuse of children.
You can worship at the altar of Leon and Matt all you want, but they aren't interested in saving women & girls.
The Government won't listen to feminists because they are the ones covering it up. Feminists need to get the people to listen, to know the truth so we all can shout it out on the mountain tops. We all must make the Government know that the more people know about this the harder it is going to be for them to cover it up and we are not going to stop talking about. That is how we get the Government to listen. It not just feminists failing or Matts failing or Elons failing or medias failing. It is everyone's failure. We all must take responsibility for this. If we keep on point fingers and putting blame on others the problem will remain the way it is.
Absolutely! There is nothing to be gained by “I wrote about it first/most/“typical men/feminists”. There are far more significant people involved in the whole disgusting and inhumane events. Primarily the victims, including those still being abused. If prominent voices start having a go at each other, it’s easier for cowardly scum like Starmer to point out inconsistencies in the arguments being made FOR a full enquiry to justify not having one. There needs to be a consistent narrative pressuring them into what must be the prioritised. Justice for previous victims and families. Protection for current victims and families. Safeguarding to make sure it never happens again and making sure perpetrators/facilitators/and those complicit in covering up are named/jailed and/or deported. Oh, and Keir Stalin can return his knighthood and join his mate Trudeau down the job centre.
An inquiry would include "who wrote about it first" as well as "why was it ignored for so long". So, yeah, Simon, there is something to be gained.
At some point, men like you will have to start listening to feminists who talk about things like this, because feminists are usually right.
“Men like me”? Care to elaborate?
This kind of attitude from feminists is the exact reason why people, not just men stop listening.
The number of so called grooming gang prosecutions actually grew during Starmer's time as DPP. He was responsible for the first one. During the last 14 years of Tory rule the number of rape convictions has gone down compared to reported ones. Only 1 in 100 gets justice. The "grooming gangs" are more likely to be found guilty.
As for "the elite" most politicians earn less than a headteacher. Musk, Trump, Johnson et al are the "elite" not a lowly British politician without old boy creds like Starmer. Funny how that daft expression has come across the pond in the last few years along with far right politics. Do your research outside your own little bubble.
I agree with about Trump, Elon.....etc. However, the difference between Starmer and the above mentioned is one is bogged down with decades of Bureaucratic BS hardly having any real power to do anything for theses girls and the othe wants to destroy that BS. I was a Support Worker for over 10 years. I had to deal with the police, NHS, social workers and the council on a daily basis. The Bureaucratic BS is think and deeply embedded into all institutions. This is what suppresses all who are poor, vulnerable and dependent on the Government to care for them, in the nightmare situation they are born in. If you think that Starmer is the good guy then you are a part of the problem. I don’t need to do research. I experienced it first hand for 10 years slowly having the wool pulled away from my eyes. Not for one moment I see Trump and Elon as the good guy. I see them as a wrecking ball on all this Bureaucratic BS. However, they are not the solution, we are, the people. It is our responsibility to pick up the peices and rebuild. Hopefully from learning from the past mistakes. Starmer is a part the mistake we must learn from and nothing more.
Kellie-Jay Keen has been addressing the Muslim rape gangs issue for years but Ms Bindel doesn't count her as a feminist.
KJK herself has rejected the label feminist!
KJK has said repeatedly that she is not a feminist.
So a woman activist, who has devoted her life to working full time advocating for the rights of adult human females for a decade, is not a *feminist* in your view if she disclaims the description?
Lol. Why are you mad at me about KJK saying she's not a feminist?
Everybody is a feminist if they identify as one. Like so much of the vocabulary that used to belong to people who call themselves women the assignation has become meaningless. People who deploy the who is a feminist and who is not a feminist argument as if it has any sort of relevance or integrity are bleaters.
Then I guess you think KJK is a bleater because she's decided that for herself that she isn't a feminist.
My goodness, even on Substack KJK stans are the most obnoxious people.
I am too embarrassed to call myself a feminist any longer due to certain types of bleaters who think they own it. I'll leave when Ms Bindel kicks me off, which could be at any moment due to me being the wrong sort of feminist.
Bindel has infamously dismissed Keen as a "pound shop Barbie" and suggested Keen, along with others who argue that Muslim men have religious and culturally indoctrinated hatred toward women, is a racist. Source your own links, it's all out there. To her credit I don't think Ms Bindel tries to alter her historic comments. In the meantime I truly don't give a rats arse if you want to imply I'm making it up or lying.
Go worship KJK somewhere else.
Julie, I've been amplifying his posts because it gets the word out.
Still, it's irresponsible for writers to claim there has been no feminist response when we know there has been.
And it's worse when they use the "scandal" as a bludgeon to try to discredit all feminists.
I was gladdened to see Andrew Doyle's piece today where he credited your work in uncovering the issue.
All writers now covering this issue can look to your work on it as foundational. Those who do not need to be brought up to speed.
Julie your recent investigations and pieces are where may we all ask? Yet another journo seeking to show boat post event and ride on the tide of the right side of history and in so doing trying to avoid the criticism of the establishment and our bought and paid for MSM which is coming for sure and has already started judging by our illustrious pms reversion to name calling of anyone daring to criticise the Muslim rapists and so ably supported by our similarly minded press
Couldn't find anything wrong with what I said then?
I respect the other point of view, that these people must be challenged, but Goodwins shtick is so obviously to create outrage and then feed off it, his whole thing is about a desperate need for attention that I really believe in his case that just recognising what an inconsequential figure he is, especially when intellectually there is just no there there and that he only argues in bad faith I really believe just completely ignoring him is the way to go
Sounds like your ego is getting in the way of listening.
Happy new year Julie. This one is the one we've been waiting for I hope,the year common sense wins and everyone wakes up like Bobby Ewing and it had all been a dream.
If only eh?
I'm looking for links to where Matt, a Christian, has railed against the Church and pedophile priests and nuns.
How often did Matt report on this over the years? Speaking up with self righteous indignation is easy to do now that the light has been shone on this by people who were brave enough to pave the way, knowing that they were putting themselves in danger for their careers or even their lives. And no one wants to admit that Tommy Robinson was shouting from the roof tops about this years ago.
Ms Bindel is hardly a scion of the establishment, perhaps she makes Matt’s point for him? Only outsiders like herself actually made a point of reporting on this scandal in a sustained way that the subject justified. The Oxbridge elite hardly know where Oldham is never mind caring about the suffering of the inhabitants, especially if the truth upsets their liberal totems. Ms Bindel seems slightly upset that she’s not been acknowledged as one of the few who did some reporting.
I liked your article on Al Jazeera. In that article you mention how the editors have shunned your work on this issue. The editors, council workers, police and politicians all had something in common.
They would say publicly that they did not want to be racist but, of course, saving girls from paedophiles is not racist.
Their real fear was that knowledge of the Rape Gangs might stir up strong opposition to the whole project of mass migration. Their objection was ideological - they did not want their Internationalist ideology to be opposed.
See https://therenwhere.substack.com/p/the-new-civil-war-in-britain