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Dr Victoria Powell's avatar

I watched your conversation with him this morning Julie. It’s disheartening when such basic knowledge about the realities of how women have to navigate our environments is so far from most men’s understanding. Your discussion with him demonstrated that in spades.

I think you did exceptionally well to try and put it in simple terms and to educate him about the different tactics women use to delay/dissipate threat. But it was like you were talking to a brick wall.

And then his response to your final question about what he does to help women with this structural problem was predictable. Nothing really. What was it? He quietly intervened once years ago when he was in the presence of a man bullying a woman… good job, mate. Your silence at his response spoke volumes.

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I watched both and also was taken aback by Peter's tone. So far I generally had been enjoying his interviews with people. What seems obvious to me is two things:

- Peter, like other men, fundamentally do not understand what it is like to be under constant threat of violence

- Peter myopically only would accept 'fight back' as the response to a threatening situation which doesn't align with any scientific data we know about psychology or male violence against women.

We already know that under threat, people respond in four basic ways: fight, flight, freeze, and fawn. Any of the strategies can potentially work to help you survive. It just so happens that women both due to our biology and also due to how we're socialized will mostly respond with flight or fawn. We know that the vast majority of the time, we will not physically win against a man in a fight. We also know that if we try to use a tool, like a gun or pepper spray, it will most likely be turned against us. We also know that the vast majority of male violence against women are perpetrated by close intimate partners, so having a weapon in the home to defend ourselves isn't going to work. What are we going to do, hide it? What women actually do is hide a escape bag with cash and essentials in our homes just in case. What women do is go together in groups to the restroom when we can, which men make fun of but don't realize it's a safety tactic. What women do is talk down (fawn response) threatening men to buy ourselves time to get out. These are all legitimate and work. And none of this occurred to Peter because he's literally has never had to do it probably once in his life.

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