Only a decade ago, this episode of Late Night Woman's Hour, on the topic of lesbian and gay identity did not even cause a stir!

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Only a decade ago, this episode of Late Night Woman's Hour, on the topic of lesbian and gay identity did not even cause a stir!

Listen to three lesbians (including me) and two gay men discussing lesbian and gay culture (in September 2015). No support clownfish were harmed in the making of this hour-long radio programme

Julie Bindel

Jun 17, 2025

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Those taking part in the debate were:

Me.

Zing Tsjeng, UK editor of Broadly (the only one to mention ‘transgender’, but just once). Very ‘queer’ identified.

Eleanor Margolis, a lesbian writer, who said, ‘I honestly remember fancying girls when I was about three.’

Joe Stone, writer, calls himself a ‘plain old-fashioned gay’ rather than queer

And Matt Cook, academic, who recalls the terrible loss due to the AIDS crisis during the 1980 and beyond.

Jane Garvey hosted. She did a grand job. Have a listen, and consider how the takeover of lesbian and gay culture by gender woo woo impacted. Remember, 2015, the year this episode was broadcast, was the year Stonewall added the T to the LGB, and when Tory Minister for Women, Maria Miller decided to recommend self-ID as a key reform to the 2004 Gender Recognition Act. Everything was about to change, and not for the better.

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Only a decade ago, this episode of Late Night Woman's Hour, on the topic of lesbian and gay identity did not even cause a stir!

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